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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    And please read the labeling information I'm the one that linked to from the FDA. It clearly says that Plan-B does not cause an abortion. Just because something is contraindicated during pregnancy does not mean it causes abortions. As a matter of fact the FDA said just the opposite that it is not used to terminate an existing pregnancy.

    You made a claim you have yet to support. So where is this FDA label that says it causes abortions?



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    From what i understand is that Plan B does not allow the egg to attach to the uterus. so if the egg is fertilized and try's to attach it can't therefore it aborts. If you believe that life begins at conception like most Christians and Catholics do then that is considered an abortion.

    a fertilized egg would be considered an existing pregnancy.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    And please read the labeling information I'm the one that linked to from the FDA. It clearly says that Plan-B does not cause an abortion. Just because something is contraindicated during pregnancy does not mean it causes abortions. As a matter of fact the FDA said just the opposite that it is not used to terminate an existing pregnancy.

    You made a claim you have yet to support. So where is this FDA label that says it causes abortions?



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    Excuse me, but I didn't make any "claims". The thread isn't about me. I'm not Hobby Lobby.

    If you have something to contribute to the case, kindly contact either the Hobby Lobby attorneys, or Eric Holder.

    Good grief.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It says on the label that pregnant shouldn't take the drug. In fact, a lot of drugs have labels warning pregnant women not to take them because they could induce abortion. Is Hobby Lobby going to object to those too?

    http://learnpharmacy.info/handouts/D...20pregnant.pdf
    I don't know. You will have to ask them. But post #61 should help you understand their objection better.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    Stop with the fake outrage.

    In all likelihood Hobby Lobby had no idea their employees 401(k)s invested in mutual funds that invested in companies that make emergency contraceptives. I have no idea what companies make emergency contraceptives myself.
    Are you trying to tell me that Mother Jones could find the funds that invested in companies that make contraceptives, but Hobby Lobby couldn't find them, even though IT IS THEIR OWN FUNDS? OK, you can believe that if you want. BTW, I am selling the Brooklyn Bridge. I'll make you a good offer.
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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The court wasn't asked to rule on the structure or the standards in the law. But whats wrong with having standards in health care?
    no they didn't rule that way ....did they?, however it seems many people believe they have a right to certain things, which is a falsehood no human being has a right to a material good or service.

    the company has contracted with a health insurance company, to provide coverage, the employes do not own or control the plan...... the company does....freedom means... you accept what they offer ...or you seek your own plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Did the court rule that it was unconstitutional?
    the constitution states its unconstitutional, for government to force a person or business to provide a material good or service people.


    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Did the court rule that the government didn't have the authority?
    the constitutions states government does not have the authority, the constitution limits governments, ..not people or business.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't know. You will have to ask them. But post #61 should help you understand their objection better.
    I find it extremely hard to believe that you don't have an opinion. Cat got your tongue?

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    From what i understand is that Plan B does not allow the egg to attach to the uterus. so if the egg is fertilized and try's to attach it can't therefore it aborts. If you believe that life begins at conception like most Christians and Catholics do then that is considered an abortion.

    a fertilized egg would be considered an existing pregnancy.

    In that case they should be objecting to all hormonal contraceptives as they all function the same way. They (low dose monthly oral contraceptives and Plan-B) prevent pregnancy by: (A) preventing ovulation, (B) preventing fertilization by increasing the mucus of the cervix, and (C) preventing implantation.

    So if preventing implantation is an abortion (which one can argue) then Hobby Lobby should be rejecting ALL oral contraceptives low dose, pre-sex, over the course of a month and high dose, post-sex, taken in one shot.




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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    In that case they should be objecting to all hormonal contraceptives as they all function the same way. They (low dose monthly oral contraceptives and Plan-B) prevent pregnancy by: (A) preventing ovulation, (B) preventing fertilization by increasing the mucus of the cervix, and (C) preventing implantation.

    So if preventing implantation is an abortion (which one can argue) then Hobby Lobby should be rejecting ALL oral contraceptives low dose, pre-sex, over the course of a month and high dose, post-sex, taken in one shot.




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    There is a difference in not allowing a pregancy to happen and killing an existing pregnancy. if you don't know the difference then i can't help you.
    plan b kills an existing pregnancy. typical birth control doesn't kill existing pregnancies it simply doesn't allow them to happen.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Excuse me, but I didn't make any "claims".

    I'm sorry, did you not post the following:

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The ACA requires that insurance include 20 specific forms of contraception. 4 of them contain FDA warnings that they may cause a formed fetus to abort.


    The FDA information I linked to specifically says Plan-B does not function to terminate a pregnancy.

    I mean you were wrong, you should man up and admit it.



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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I find it extremely hard to believe that you don't have an opinion. Cat got your tongue?
    I can't have an opinion on what they are going to object to in the future, Moot. I'm not them.

    To be honest, I don't care generally speaking about this particular case because the issue doesn't impact me personally.

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