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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    And there is also this:

    12 CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY
    12.1 Mechanism of Action
    Emergency contraceptive pills are not effective if a woman is already pregnant. Plan B One-Step is believed to act as an emergency contraceptive principally by preventing ovulation or fertilization (by altering tubal transport of sperm and/or ova). In addition, it may inhibit implantation (by altering the endometrium). It is not effective once the process of implantation has begun.


    Inhibit implantation of a fetus. To those who believe life begins at conception, inhibiting implantation terminates the fetus' chance of survival.

    These are not my arguments, this is what Hobby Lobby objects to. You asked, and I provided.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I posted what is on the FDA label, and the definition of contraindication. Why did you ask me if you're now claiming you already knew it was there?

    The contraindication warning is so that women who are pregnant know the pill may cause a formed fetus to abort.

    If you have an objection to what the FDA says, you need to get in touch with them. I'm not with the FDA, sorry.

    I don't see anywhere in the below statement where is says it will cause an abortion. Contraindication of prescription can be for many things such as (just to pick some at random that are not abortions): headaches, strokes, diarrhea, stomach ache, rash. Just because a medication is contraindicated doesn't mean it will cause an abortion.

    4. CONTRAINDICATIONS
    Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.


    On the other hand the very next sentence says:

    5.2
    Existing Pregnancy Plan B One-Step is not effective in terminating an existing pregnancy.



    It is a contraceptive (prevents pregnancy), not an abortificiant (terminate an existing pregnancy).


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    Contraindications for Oral Contraceptive pills include: (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Science.../UCM133346.pdf)

    Breast cancer or other hormone-sensitive cancer, now or in the past
    Lver tumors, now or in the past,or liver disease
    Undiagnosed abnormal genital bleeding
    Any condition predisposing to thrombotic diseases
    Thrombophlebitis or pulmonary embolism, now or in the past
    Cerebrovascular disease
    Coronary artery disease
    Thrombogenic valvular or thrombogenic rhythm diseases of the heart
    Congenital hypercoagulopathies
    Diabetes with vascular disease
    Uncontrolled hypertension
    Migraines with focal neurologic symptoms
    Smoking and over age 35
    Pregnancy
    Allergy to any components of this drug product



    So if Plan-B is an abortificiant because it is contraindicated during pregnancy (which since it involves hormones, that makes perfect sense), then low does Oral Contraceptives fall into the same realm since "pregnancy" is listed as one of the contra-indicators for prescription.

    Yet Hobby Lobby doesn't seem to have a problem with these abortificiants.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    How much would you like to bet that 99%ers that protest things like Banks, Big pharm, health care, oil, etc are also invested in those things (providing they have 401ks)?

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And there is also this:

    12 CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY
    12.1 Mechanism of Action
    Emergency contraceptive pills are not effective if a woman is already pregnant. Plan B One-Step is believed to act as an emergency contraceptive principally by preventing ovulation or fertilization (by altering tubal transport of sperm and/or ova). In addition, it may inhibit implantation (by altering the endometrium). It is not effective once the process of implantation has begun.


    Inhibit implantation of a fetus. To those who believe life begins at conception, inhibiting implantation terminates the fetus' chance of survival.

    These are not my arguments, this is what Hobby Lobby objects to. You asked, and I provided.

    "Hormonal contraceptives (the pill, the patch, and the vaginal ring) all contain a small amount of man-made estrogen and progestin hormones. These hormones work to inhibit the body's natural cyclical hormones to prevent pregnancy. Pregnancy is prevented by a combination of factors. The hormonal contraceptive usually stops the body from ovulating. Hormonal contraceptives also change the cervical mucus to make it difficult for the sperm to find an egg. Hormonal contraceptives can also prevent pregnancy by making the lining of the womb inhospitable for implantation."

    Birth Control Pills - Types, Effectiveness, and Side Effects of Birth Control Pills




    They function the same way as low dose monthly oral contraceptives do, in three ways: prevent ovulation, prevent fertilization, and prevent implantation.



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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Please read post #61, and please also contact the FDA if you object to the data, Worldwatcher. I'm not the FDA or with the FDA. I can't help you, sorry.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    How much would you like to bet that 99%ers that protest things like Banks, Big pharm, health care, oil, etc are also invested in those things (providing they have 401ks)?
    Those that have 401Ks are bound to be invested in companies somehow engaged in businesses they abhor.

    But they will beat this Hobby Lobby thing to death, because...well, I don't really know why. I find it hard to believe that HL employees only getting access to 16 forms of contraception instead of 20 is the biggest problem this country has. We sure do focus on the most worthless things.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    4. CONTRAINDICATIONS
    Plan B One-Step is contraindicated for use in the case of known or suspected pregnancy.


    Definition of contraindication: The presence of a factor or condition that would preclude an intervention, and which, if performed, could cause harm to the patient and be regarded as a negligent act.

    If a fetus has formed, and the mother takes Plan B, it has the potential to abort the fetus.

    This is what HL objects to.

    It says on the label that pregnant shouldn't take the drug. In fact, a lot of drugs have labels warning pregnant women not to take them because they could induce abortion. Is Hobby Lobby going to object to those too?

    http://learnpharmacy.info/handouts/D...20pregnant.pdf

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Those that have 401Ks are bound to be invested in companies somehow engaged in businesses they abhor.

    But they will beat this Hobby Lobby thing to death, because...well, I don't really know why. I find it hard to believe that HL employees only getting access to 16 forms of contraception instead of 20 is the biggest problem this country has. We sure do focus on the most worthless things.
    The whole contraception thing is a bull**** red herring Its a non issue. Sandra Fluke lied when she gave her faux testimony and the fact she, even though she was a student at this Jesuit university that was allegedly denying oral contraceptives WAS COVERED was pretty much glossed over and ignored. But hey...if you are going to run for president and need to have a cause, then you can best believe...it will be the "war on women". 2016..welcome to the future.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    How much would you like to bet that 99%ers that protest things like Banks, Big pharm, health care, oil, etc are also invested in those things (providing they have 401ks)?
    Has the SCOTUS ruled on any of the 99%ers protests? If they have, I'll bet it was in favor of business and not the rights of the individual.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The ACA requires that insurance include 20 specific forms of contraception. 4 of them contain FDA warnings that they may cause a formed fetus to abort.
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Please read post #61, and please also contact the FDA if you object to the data, Worldwatcher. I'm not the FDA or with the FDA. I can't help you, sorry.
    And please read the labeling information I'm the one that linked to from the FDA. It clearly says that Plan-B does not cause an abortion. Just because something is contraindicated during pregnancy does not mean it causes abortions. As a matter of fact the FDA said just the opposite that it is not used to terminate an existing pregnancy.

    You made a claim you have yet to support. So where is this FDA label that says it causes abortions?



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