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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I thought it was HL that was suing the government because they didn't want emergency contraceptives offered under their group health insurance policy. But now you are saying that HL is being sued? By whom?
    My wording stands corrected. Yes...they are suing. They dont wish to be forced to provide emergency contraception...translation...abortion meds. A company that was prior to Obamacare of their own will providing an above average wage for unskilled workers AND insurance for their employees objected to being forced to provide for abortions as well. And Sotomayors (and one you apparently agree with) is for Hobby Lobby to DROP the insurance coverage of their staff and then pay a $2000 per employee ($30,000,000.00) fine to the fed.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Are you saying that my employer gives me money for work in my paycheck and when I stop at 7-11 they own the beer that I buy?



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    Thats an interesting analogy. Could it also apply to employee health insurance? For instance, the employee works for the health insurance, choses which plan that fits their needs and budget and pay the deductibles and co-payments for the benefits they use. So does the company own the employees health insurance anymore than they own the employees 401k....or beer?

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    You are mistaken.

    Plan B only delays ovulation.
    It does not inhibit implantation.
    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    No i am not mistaken. that is just 2 of the possibilities and it depends on where you are.

    from webmd

    It is also possible that this type of emergency birth control prevents implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterus by altering its lining

    no it contains 1.5 milligrams of levonorgestrel
    The webmd website you linked is outdated as proved by the Catholic Journal Article I posted a few posts back.:

    Catholic journal says Plan B does not cause abortions

    Plan B, the nation’s most widely used emergency contraceptive, works only as a contraceptive and does not cause abortions, according to an article in the January-February issue of Health Progress, the official journal of the Catholic Health Association.
    Catholic journal says Plan B does not cause abortions | National Catholic Reporter




    Levonorgestrel is a type of the hormone progestin researchers have found prevents pregnancy

    From this EC website:


    Progestin-only emergency contraceptive pills ("morning after pills") are pills that contain levonorgestrel, a type of the hormone progestin researchers have found prevents pregnancy when taken in the few days after sex. In the United States, there are currently three progestin-only emergency contraceptive pills that may be available for sale: Plan B One-Step, Next Choice One Dose, Next Choice and Levonorgestrel Tablets.


    Emergency Contraception: Progestin-only pills as emergency contraceptives
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    My wording stands corrected. Yes...they are suing. They dont wish to be forced to provide emergency contraception...translation...abortion meds. A company that was prior to Obamacare of their own will providing an above average wage for unskilled workers AND insurance for their employees objected to being forced to provide for abortions as well. And Sotomayors (and one you apparently agree with) is for Hobby Lobby to DROP the insurance coverage of their staff and then pay a $2000 per employee ($30,000,000.00) fine to the fed.
    Just one problem with HL complaint, the drugs that they object to aren't drugs that induce abortion....they're contraceptives that prevent pregnancy. Big difference, don't you think?


    Sotomayor wasn't giving advice...she was giving an opinion as it pertained to the law, remember?

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Your employer gives you extra money to invest in 7-11? They must like big gulps.
    Purchasing a beer (or big gulp) is not an "investment" in the companies stock, it's a purchase. Just because a company pays me for work and I buy a beer on my way home that does not mean that the company bought the beer.

    No, if my employer matches a percentage of my earnings as part of my 401(k) and that income is mine. I then invest it in the funds I've selected with the Fund Manager. Once deposited into my check to be routed to my investment account it is no longer the organizations money, it's mine. So if they make a match and I invest in funds that have 7-11 as part of the portfolio then that is my money not the companies.



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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    If they are contributing money that buys stock in those companies they are certainly "investing" and supporting those companies. That's the slippery slope they have chosen. It is also why they will fail in this foolish effort.
    They're not doing any investing. They contributing money to a retirement plan and likely have no idea where their employees are putting that money.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The webmd website you linked is outdated as proved by the Catholic Journal Article I posted a few posts back.:



    Catholic journal says Plan B does not cause abortions | National Catholic Reporter




    Levonorgestrel is a type of the hormone progestin researchers have found prevents pregnancy

    From this EC website:





    Emergency Contraception: Progestin-only pills as emergency contraceptives
    i think i will believe the webmd post thanks. it is in line with the other articles out there.

    plan b does prevent the attachment of a fertilized egg as part of the drug. to HL that is considered an abortion. that is their religious belief backed up by science.
    Plan B (Levonorgestrel) Drug Information: Medication Guide and Patient Information - Prescribing Information at RxList

    basically backs up the webmd site.

    It is possible that Plan B (levonorgestrel) may also work by preventing fertilization of an egg (the uniting of sperm with the egg) or by preventing attachment (implantation) to the uterus (womb),

    i think you need to do some more research before saying people are wrong.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Just one problem with HL complaint, the drugs that they object to aren't drugs that induce abortion....they're contraceptives that prevent pregnancy. Big difference, don't you think?


    Sotomayor wasn't giving advice...she was giving an opinion as it pertained to the law, remember?
    it depends on your point of view. to HL and many christians life begins at conception (when sperm meets egg). any drug that would stop the egg from attaching to the uterus would be considered an abortion. most birth control pills prevent sperm and egg from meeting therefore no conception takes place.

    that is the difference.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by shavingcollywob View Post
    They're not doing any investing. They contributing money to a retirement plan and likely have no idea where their employees are putting that money.
    In other words, not all employees may share the same subjective value of morals as the owner.

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    Re: Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    it depends on your point of view. to HL and many christians life begins at conception (when sperm meets egg). any drug that would stop the egg from attaching to the uterus would be considered an abortion. most birth control pills prevent sperm and egg from meeting therefore no conception takes place.

    that is the difference.
    Where does the bible say that life begins when sperm meets egg? In Genesis it says life begins with the breath of life from God. So now the government should determine when life begins...based on HL's interpretation of the bible?

    Hobby Lobby owners incorporated their company...that means the company is a separate entity from the owners and doesn't have religious belief. So why should the government consider the owners personal beliefs if they aren't personally or legally liable for the company?

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