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Hobby Lobby invests in companies that makes IUD's/Plan-B Contraceptives

no we are not talking about other people. if you do not support certain industries yet still invest in them through a mutual fund does that make you a hypocrit? simple yes or no question.

it has nothing to do with someone else.

hobby lobby isn't investing anything. they have a wide variety of funds that their employee's can invest in. medical companies make an array of drugs.
again they don't oppose all forms of birth control just 4.

nothing hypocritical about this. The mutual funds are controled by the fund manager. while the company gets a list of the fund companies i doubt they do that much research into
what they make. it is the employee's that invest into the funds. not the company itself.

you have to use a lot of twisted screwed up logic in order to say that HL is investing in these companies because they aren't. their employee's are investing into mutual funds that happen to have these companies in the fund.

It is Only about trying to impose my subjective value of morality due to wealth.
 
now you are just being obtuse.

it doesn't matter when the government thinks life begins that is not the argument.
their company has the right to free speech and is able to do other things under the first amendment so why is religious belief excluded when it is protected under the 1st amendment as well.

the company is only separate in a financial sense.

Can you use a religious belief to ignore OSHA regulations? Can a Scientologist refuse to pay for prescription drug coverage that everyone else is covered by? Can a vegan refuse to pay taxes which in part are used to subsidize the meat industry?
 
Just one problem with HL complaint, the drugs that they object to aren't drugs that induce abortion....they're contraceptives that prevent pregnancy. Big difference, don't you think?


Sotomayor wasn't giving advice...she was giving an opinion as it pertained to the law, remember?
No...she isnt giving advice as pertaining to law. She is giving an opinion and one grounded in ideology, not supported by case law. At some point the justices will decide on this case and then there will be case law established and her opinion will be codified. If you and she have your way, a company that acted in an above responsible manner will likely (at her suggestion) cancel 15,000 employees insurance and be forced to pay the fed a 30,000,000 dollar fine. then those 15,000 employees will be left ot get and pay for insurance on their own. And in a 'win' for the administration, some of them will be new Obamacare enrollees.
 
In other words, not all employees may share the same subjective value of morals as the owner.

Sure but I'm not really sure what your point is.

I imagine it's pretty doubtful that their employees knew they were investing in emergency contraception though.
 
I believe this should be anecdotal evidence that a one size morality fits all approach may not be in accordance with the subjective value of morals of everyone.

Again, I'm really not sure what you're talking about.

I don't believe Hobby Lobby is demanding their employees abstain from whichever emergency contraceptive the company doesn't support. The company just doesn't want to pay for it.
 
Again, I'm really not sure what you're talking about.

I don't believe Hobby Lobby is demanding their employees abstain from whichever emergency contraceptive the company doesn't support. The company just doesn't want to pay for it.

That is a denial and disparagement of that choice for those employees, especially if it is part of a Standard regarding fiscally responsible, ounces of prevention instead of pounds of cures.
 
Below are the "reported facts". Some of you need to refresh your interpretations of what Hobby Lobby is doing that is contrary to their claimed religious beliefs.


The owners of Hobby Lobby, a christian-owned craft supply chain, were so offended by the idea of having to include emergency contraceptives and intrauterine devices in their health insurance plans that they sued the obama administration and took the case all the way up to the supreme court. But mother jones reported on tuesday that the company's retirement plan has invested millions of dollars in the manufacturers of emergency contraception and drugs used to induce abortions.

Hobby lobby's 401(k) employee retirement plan holds $73 million in mutual funds that invest in multiple pharmaceutical companies that produce emergency contraceptive pills, intrauterine devices, and abortion-inducing medications.

The companies Hobby Lobby invests in include teva pharmaceutical industries, which makes the plan b morning-after pill and paragard, a copper iud, as well as pfizer, the maker of the abortion-inducing drugs cytotec and prostin e2. Hobby lobby's mutual funds also invest in two health insurance companies that cover surgical abortions, abortion drugs, and emergency contraception in their health care policies.


Hobby lobby's attorneys argue that the provision in the affordable care act that requires most employers to cover contraception in their health plans infringes on the company's right to exercise religious freedom because the company's owners believe that emergency contraception and iuds are actually forms of abortion. Medical studies have debunked this claim.

Mother jones reported that all nine of the mutual funds hobby lobby's retirement plan holds include investments that clash with the owners' religious beliefs about abortion.

I THINK THAT HOBBY LOBBY'S HOBBY IS "HYPOCRISY!"
 
Employees have rights, too. The employees are paying for their health insurance with their labor just as if it were wages.

No they are not. Their time/labor is traded for their wage. There is a reason that anything else that you from your job is called a "benefit" and not direct compensation.
 
The owners of Hobby Lobby, a christian-owned craft supply chain, were so offended by the idea of having to include emergency contraceptives and intrauterine devices in their health insurance plans that they sued the obama administration and took the case all the way up to the supreme court.

I believe Hobby Lobby would be more credible, if they felt the same way about the abomination of hypocrisy, in the name of the same morals instead of only human sexuality in our modern times.
 
No...she isnt giving advice as pertaining to law. She is giving an opinion and one grounded in ideology, not supported by case law. At some point the justices will decide on this case and then there will be case law established and her opinion will be codified. If you and she have your way, a company that acted in an above responsible manner will likely (at her suggestion) cancel 15,000 employees insurance and be forced to pay the fed a 30,000,000 dollar fine. then those 15,000 employees will be left ot get and pay for insurance on their own. And in a 'win' for the administration, some of them will be new Obamacare enrollees.
Actually, it wasn't even an opinion...it was a statement of fact. The law gives Hobby Lobby a choice, just like Sotomayer said.
 
No they are not. Their time/labor is traded for their wage. There is a reason that anything else that you from your job is called a "benefit" and not direct compensation.

Their time/labor is also traded for the health insurance benefits. Millions of people only stay at their dead end jobs to get the health insurance which suggests that they are working in exchange for health insurance more than they are the wages.

But now that they have a choice and don't have to accept lower wages in exchange for health benefits....who knows, maybe there will be a flurry of new startup businesses....especially by women.

They quit their jobs, thanks to the health law - The Washington Post

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/magazine/how-obamacare-could-unlock-job-opportunities.html?_r=0
 
Actually, it wasn't even an opinion...it was a statement of fact. The law gives Hobby Lobby a choice, just like Sotomayer said.
Her opinion is that they should just give up the suit and pay the fine. Her belief is that a company should pay the federal government 30,000,000 to NOT insure 15,000 people. You and she would call that a 'win'.
 
I don't think it's reasonable to expect someone is aware of every move made by every mutual fund they happen to invest in.

However, once made aware I would expect Hobby Lobby to dump those mutual funds if this were really a genuine religious belief. Have they done so?
 
Hello again all,

Just found this little nugget. If true, it would certainly be a blow to the Hobby Lobby position (their standing with the rest of us, including those who defend them), if not to their case pending in front of the SCOTUS as well. A company that protests being forced to comply with a mandate to provide contraceptive coverage (including IUD's and Plan B Contraceptives) based on their religious objection to those services either has no business investing in these companies, or has no business arguing that their religious beliefs provide them with an exception to avoid providing services they religiously object to while continuing to invest in companies that manufacture those products.

Thoughts?

Rank hypocrisy, but oh so typical for today's religious right. :roll:
 
A company that protests being forced to comply with a mandate to provide contraceptive coverage (including IUD's and Plan B Contraceptives) based on their religious objection to those services

has no basis to deny or disparage those employees who don't share the same subjective value of morals as the owners.
 
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