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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Yeah, that's the way our government works. You don't get to know classified information just because you want to. Sorry! Still free to move, "slave".
    And you don't get to just say something is "classified" because of the inconvenience it can cause you if people knew.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The way it works is through intelligent and educating voting. But you're actively trying to remove that.
    That doesn't include classified information. You're not a decision maker.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    So first you were saying you didn't know about the Times Square plot. Then you said I didn't tell you what my degree was in. Now you're saying the means and methods of acquiring intelligence isn't classified?




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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    That doesn't include classified information. You're not a decision maker.
    And you seem to have a very convenient definition of "classified information" which prevents you from demonstrating your point.

    Which means that you CANNOT DEMONSTRATE YOUR POINT. Which is what I've said from the start, and that you have proven through this continued interaction. You cannot prove your position. And yet, I'm supposed to accept it as proper even though you cannot defend it, support it, nor prove it. Words are wind, John Snow.

    It all comes down to this. You are not a trustworthy source nor can you actually defend your actions. Instead you blindly push ignorance upon the populace and then have the gall to claim that this ignorant existence was intended by the Founders. For shame.

    Only those with something to hide push for ignorance.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And you seem to have a very convenient definition of "classified information" which prevents you from demonstrating your point.

    Which means that you CANNOT DEMONSTRATE YOUR POINT. Which is what I've said from the start, and that you have proven through this continued interaction. You cannot prove your position. And yet, I'm supposed to accept it as proper even though you cannot defend it, support it, nor prove it. Words are wind, John Snow.

    It all comes down to this. You are not a trustworthy source nor can you actually defend your actions. Instead you blindly push ignorance upon the populace and then have the gall to claim that this ignorant existence was intended by the Founders. For shame.

    Only those with something to hide push for ignorance.
    Okay. Whatever you say. Too bad decision makers, people who know, disagree.

    George Washington disagreed with your last line, too: “upon Secrecy, Success depends in Most Enterprises…and for want of it, they are generally defeated.” I wonder what he was trying to hide? Maybe just something dumb, like the time someone told him what his degree was in, he forgot, asked for the citation, and then ignored the citation while he whined about his country's form of government.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Okay. Whatever you say. Too bad decision makers, people who know, disagree.

    George Washington disagreed with your last line, too: “upon Secrecy, Success depends in Most Enterprises…and for want of it, they are generally defeated.” I wonder what he was trying to hide? Maybe just something dumb, like the time someone told him what his degree was in, he forgot, asked for the citation, and then ignored the citation while he whined about his country's form of government.
    It's a no-brainer that President Washington would say something like that considering the fact he was previously a General with wartime experience and who IIRC, started America's first spying apparatus. However, I'm skeptical that he'd give approval of blanket coverage on every American citizen that emits capturable information; instead, I believe he would come down on the side that CERTAIN Americans should be monitored.

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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    It's a no-brainer that President Washington would say something like that considering the fact he was previously a General with wartime experience and who IIRC, started America's first spying apparatus. However, I'm skeptical that he'd give approval of blanket coverage on every American citizen that emits capturable information; instead, I believe he would come down on the side that CERTAIN Americans should be monitored.
    But, in three ways, blanket coverage isn't what we're talking about: 1- it's not what the NSA was doing, 2- Ikari is very much talking about how he needs access to classified information just...cause, and 3- he just said the only people that would want that type of secrecy are those trying to "hide something", which is as obvious literally as his implication is silly.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    When and where? Quote it. Can you? Or is this just another unsubstantiated claim. I'd like it if you could back up at least one thing you state. Can you? Come on, try it out.
    He did actually, a Masters in International Relations.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You do realize they could only prove they stopped one terrorist threat, right?
    I do not believe you are the oversight of NSA and all is reported to you.

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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    When a terrorist attack on an airliner is stopped by the passengers, our security systems have failed.
    Which one are you referring to that was stopped by passengers? The shoe bomber or the failed explosive or ?

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