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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It seems that everything you're claiming is. But enough with your dishonest deflections, do you have the proof? Or do you only have more wind?
    ...what? lol
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Oppressors use whatever propaganda they can. Those looking to enslave need to keep people ignorant and will try to call forth these emotional responses. But it is nothing more than dishonest and ignorant debate. You'll note that Oldworld has not once directly replied to any call for proof. He only offers up further deflection and dishonesty.
    Are you saying you're my slave? Neat. I didn't offer proof? Didn't you ask for proof of a Times Square bombing plot? Did I give you proof?

    You are...an interesting fella lol
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Does it make you mad? I'm not the one calling myself a patriot while hating representative democracy.
    Those whom hate a representative democracy are those who push ignorance upon the People. For education and knowledge are necessary for the People to control the government and to elect for themselves Representatives they know will do the proper job.

    Why do you have such anger and reserve against education? Why do you look to restrict information like you're China? They do the same thing. Same mantra. Keep them ignorant, keep them enslaved. So you're on par with the communists, which isn't good company.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Are you saying you're my slave? Neat. I didn't offer proof? Didn't you ask for proof of a Times Square bombing plot? Did I give you proof?

    You are...an interesting fella lol
    You gave me some articles without demonstration on how the new policies caught it where the old would have failed. Yes. You made assertion, but offered no proof of it. And as I said, even granting that it was 100% the result of the new policies and those alone....1 out of how many? You cannot answer that either. You purposefully hide the efficiency. Dishonest, but expected out of a man trying to save his lunch.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    The data wasn't being scrutinized, though. They just kept the metadata
    I don't doubt that you argue that or are indoctrinated to say such things in public settings, but the lack of official government recognition is not persuasive enough to deny what everyone already knows and believes about the N.S.A. There have simply been too many disclosures over the years for the denial program to work anymore.

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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Those whom hate a representative democracy are those who push ignorance upon the People. For education and knowledge are necessary for the People to control the government and to elect for themselves Representatives they know will do the proper job.

    Why do you have such anger and reserve against education? Why do you look to restrict information like you're China? They do the same thing. Same mantra. Keep them ignorant, keep them enslaved. So you're on par with the communists, which isn't good company.
    You don't like representative democracy. You don't like that the founders intended for representatives to have information that private citizens wouldn't have. Doesn't sound very patriotic, but luckily you're a freest slave in history, and can move if you like.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You gave me some articles without demonstration on how the new policies caught it where the old would have failed. Yes. You made assertion, but offered no proof of it. And as I said, even granting that it was 100% the result of the new policies and those alone....1 out of how many? You cannot answer that either. You purposefully hide the efficiency. Dishonest, but expected out of a man trying to save his lunch.
    So I gave you proof. Like I gave you proof I already told you what my degree was in.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    You don't like representative democracy. You don't like that the founders intended for representatives to have information that private citizens wouldn't have. Doesn't sound very patriotic, but luckily you're a freest slave in history, and can move if you like.
    Proof, OldWorld, proof. I am not interested in the propaganda of man looking to save his lunch. I am interested in the numbers and evidence to back the claims of grossly expanded government intervention and spying. Do you have it? Or is this post all your left with?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    So I gave you proof. Like I gave you proof I already told you what my degree was in.
    That's not proof. Maybe International Relations doesn't teach statistics or logic, but in my field of PhD Physics, they do. So understanding proof, apparently to far greater extent than you, I ask again for the numbers, for the statistics, for the evidence that backs your claim. Can you provide it? Yes or no. That's all you got to say.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Proof, OldWorld, proof. I am not interested in the propaganda of man looking to save his lunch. I am interested in the numbers and evidence to back the claims of grossly expanded government intervention and spying. Do you have it? Or is this post all your left with?
    Yes, and you don't get it. You couldn't even remember I had already told what my degree was in, you shouldn't be trusted with this information.
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