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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    A whole Master's Degree. Oooooooooooo. In what? An MBA? Hahahahahaha
    ...I already told you...no wonder you've never been given a security clearance: no attention to detail
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Regardless of whether one agrees with the electronic intrusion into the personal lives of US citizens and your allies, the thinking really is Orwellian.

    But that seemed lost on Alexander. "I think our nation has drifted into the wrong place," he told the Times. "We need to recognize that those who are working to protect our nation are not the bad people."

    That justifies what? The fact the ELECTORATE is pissed makes THEM wrong?

    To suggest the eaves dropping is the sole reason the US has not been attacked since 911 is, frankly, fool's logic. No one has EVER attacked Canada, other than our best friends the United States is proof that the Royal Canadian Mounted Police are doing a great job of protecting the country? We've never been invaded by aliens either, so our security service must be top notch!

    Freedom is not being watched by a government. Democracy is NEVER served by secrecy.
    That's to problem with those peddling ignorance though. They aren't for freedom nor democracy. They are for their own rule and do not, cannot, substantiate their own claims. They have little understanding of evidence, of statistics, of proof. But will instead default to authority and ignorance when challenged. They are afraid, afraid of what would happen if we knew.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    ...I already told you...no wonder you've never been given a security clearance: no attention to detail
    When and where? Quote it. Can you? Or is this just another unsubstantiated claim. I'd like it if you could back up at least one thing you state. Can you? Come on, try it out.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You are going against the founders. You keep saying "classified information", but this too is a sham. For while there is certainly information to be classified, you use it as a blank check to keep ALL information classified. And that's right out.

    You cannot prove your point, you cannot show the inefficiencies, you cannot demonstrate effect. Just another welfare queen; but unfortunately one with the ability to exercise force against the People.
    Huh? Now you're saying all information is classified? Wow.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    That would be absolutely moronic. Share classified information...presumably all the time...just so you feel better? Nah, I think I'll go with the founders here.
    You invoking the founders is pretty moronic in and of itself.

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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Huh? Now you're saying all information is classified? Wow.
    It seems that everything you're claiming is. But enough with your dishonest deflections, do you have the proof? Or do you only have more wind?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You invoking the founders is pretty moronic in and of itself.
    Oppressors use whatever propaganda they can. Those looking to enslave need to keep people ignorant and will try to call forth these emotional responses. But it is nothing more than dishonest and ignorant debate. You'll note that Oldworld has not once directly replied to any call for proof. He only offers up further deflection and dishonesty.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    When and where? Quote it. Can you? Or is this just another unsubstantiated claim. I'd like it if you could back up at least one thing you state. Can you? Come on, try it out.
    Uhhh...kinda easily?

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Okay, well I have a Master's Degree in International Relations, ten years in the Army, and nearly 13 now in intelligence. What would your credentials be?
    You really shouldn't be trusted with classified information.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Uhhh...kinda easily?



    You really shouldn't be trusted with classified information.
    Woot OK. 1 time you provided proof. I knew you could do it! Shows you may have some understanding of what proof is. So now that that's out of the way, let's get on to the crux of the matter. Having shown that you, at least on some rudamentary level, understand proof, what evidence (proof) do you have of the effectiveness of these current massive spying operations against the American People? What percentage is there, what is the baseline increase from previous tactics? Is the system properly restricted? Are the rights of the American Citizen observed?

    Any proof of these things? Or is it just wind.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You invoking the founders is pretty moronic in and of itself.
    Does it make you mad? I'm not the one calling myself a patriot while hating representative democracy.
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