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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Exactly. And they use the fact that some things need to be secret to justify making everything secret. And then when you want to control the system and exert control it's all "you can't because you don't know", but they are specifically trying to make it so no one can know.

    It's not a blank check as some would try to use it as.
    Lots of people know. Millions with a security clearance. You can be one!
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    The NSA and the BATF should be disbanded. Their duties can be split up among the remaining spooks and lawmen. The NSA is nothing more than the US Government saying "hey, we made this secret group to keep watch over y'all. See, we did something.

    Too bad that what they did was wrong.

    Speaking of security clearances, I believe Ed Snowden had one. One that he was willing to throw away in order to do the right thing.

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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Yeah, I wonder why, among all those people, he was the only one? Maybe he was actually wrong. Maybe he didn't even take the time to figure out why it was done or what it's effects were. Maybe it's not as obviously illegal and wrong as all the pundits here (with their vast experience in national defense and intelligence) would have you believe.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The point is he can't back up anything be is saying. So he's essentially using the "trust us, we know what we're doing, we're not doing anything bad, we're really protecting you" argument which is absolute crap. Without proof, you got nothing. Massive growth in government, large data mining and storage, massive spying against the People many times without warrant, and no data proving this had any effect. But I'm supposed to just take it because someone who's lunch depends on it says it's necessary.

    To keep a free Republican requires an educated and informed People. There are just those amongst us looking to subvert that.
    I understand your point, I also believe that people should make educated decisions, you should have access to data that would support their decision in spying their own people, you should have a say whether to keep or remove the PATRIOT act, and all that. But technically he cannot share his data with you for it is his job as intelligence officer (claiming that he is, we do not know that neither) to share such information with the people. He could lose his job, put in jail for treason, corruption, etc.

    There are ways to get to those. As the people you can demand such a thing from proper governmental channels. If all fails you can condition the future candidate to share the information in exchange for your vote.

    But again, sharing sensitive information in public forums from official representatives is stupid to say the least. There are serious consequences to that. Look at what happened to Snowden?
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Yeah, I wonder why, among all those people, he was the only one? Maybe he was actually wrong. Maybe he didn't even take the time to figure out why it was done or what it's effects were. Maybe it's not as obviously illegal and wrong as all the pundits here (with their vast experience in national defense and intelligence) would have you believe.
    What are the benefits of spying your own people then?

    Theoretically speaking of course. I know you cannot share results or such.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's to problem with those peddling ignorance though. They aren't for freedom nor democracy. They are for their own rule and do not, cannot, substantiate their own claims. They have little understanding of evidence, of statistics, of proof. But will instead default to authority and ignorance when challenged. They are afraid, afraid of what would happen if we knew.


    Well, there are many who think Machiavelli's "The Prince" is comedy; however the rule of fostering fear, uncertainty and doubt to gain and hold tyrannical rule is law. The people who's careers, political futures and comfortable retirement need to believe and need you to believe a threat is imminent. In this case, the populace has never paused to consider the fact the whole "security" apparatus is designed by the same morons who let the terrorists into the country, ignored their obvious activities and blamed each other for their collective failures.

    It is not the advice I would seek if it were a business problem; doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is a form of insanity.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

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    What are the benefits of spying your own people then?

    Theoretically speaking of course. I know you cannot share results or such.
    Information collection, of course.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

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    What are the benefits of spying your own people then?

    Theoretically speaking of course. I know you cannot share results or such.
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    Re: Retiring NSA chief doesn't understand why people hate the NSA

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