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    Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gender

    Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gender | The Raw Story

    This is not actually the main point of the article but I bring it up, as well as the discrimination also mentioned in the article, about the potential Hobby Lobby decision. So I throw out the question, can someone use their "religious objection" to discrimination laws and minimum wage laws to excuse themselves from having to comply with these laws? Similar to how Hobby Lobby is arguing that its religious objections should be grounds to excuse them from following the part of the ACA which defines what minimum coverage is.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    No one's religion should ever govern someone else's life. Period.
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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gender | The Raw Story

    This is not actually the main point of the article but I bring it up, as well as the discrimination also mentioned in the article, about the potential Hobby Lobby decision. So I throw out the question, can someone use their "religious objection" to discrimination laws and minimum wage laws to excuse themselves from having to comply with these laws? Similar to how Hobby Lobby is arguing that its religious objections should be grounds to excuse them from following the part of the ACA which defines what minimum coverage is.
    The argument that destroys the "religious rights" claim is that if one will check these religious groups or families who own these businesses, NONE of their religions require them to open businesses...so having a business is not a requirement, but a SECULAR OPTION. If they open businesses, since those businesses are not a part of their religion, then they have a duty to run those businesses in accordance with the laws of the state and the nation.

    What's more, what if their 'religion' says "thou shalt not allow blacks to enter your place of business"? If a black person then enters their place of business, then the owners would call the police to evict the black guy for the crime of being black...and at that moment we once more have government-ENFORCED racial discrimination.
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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gender | The Raw Story

    This is not actually the main point of the article but I bring it up, as well as the discrimination also mentioned in the article, about the potential Hobby Lobby decision. So I throw out the question, can someone use their "religious objection" to discrimination laws and minimum wage laws to excuse themselves from having to comply with these laws? Similar to how Hobby Lobby is arguing that its religious objections should be grounds to excuse them from following the part of the ACA which defines what minimum coverage is.
    I don't see a similarity with Hobby Lobby and any tie in to discrimination and/or wage laws.

    Sometimes I think there should be a " dumb and dumber political humor" sub-forum for this type of junk.... The guy is wrong in his thinking.

    The real truth of the matter is that once upon a time all secretaries, aides, and assts. were men. It is just another example of pushy women moving in to displace the rightful male business position !!!

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The argument that destroys the "religious rights" claim .............

    Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gender | The Raw Story

    T....... So I throw out the question, can someone use their "religious objection" ..........
    On the opposing side:

    Businesses are gendered and racial... ( i.e minority business preferences ) so they may also be found having religious basis.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Dude it's Brian Fischer, he's a complete and utter nutjob.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No one's religion should ever govern someone else's life. Period.
    Nor should the first person's lack of religion ever govern someone else's life.


    Right?
    Last edited by Ray410; 03-28-14 at 12:27 AM.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Nor should the first person's lack of religion ever govern someone else's life.

    Right?
    How exactly would this happen?
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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The argument that destroys the "religious rights" claim is that if one will check these religious groups or families who own these businesses, NONE of their religions require them to open businesses...so having a business is not a requirement, but a SECULAR OPTION. If they open businesses, since those businesses are not a part of their religion, then they have a duty to run those businesses in accordance with the laws of the state and the nation.

    What's more, what if their 'religion' says "thou shalt not allow blacks to enter your place of business"? If a black person then enters their place of business, then the owners would call the police to evict the black guy for the crime of being black...and at that moment we once more have government-ENFORCED racial discrimination.
    In a free country, people should be allowed to live their lives as they see fit.
    Including in business.

    Should a Jewish deli store owner be compelled to sell non-Kosher food? Should a Moslem store owner be compelled to sell liquor?

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No one's religion should ever govern someone else's life. Period.
    I'll tell you what, I think that religion is about the silliest thing since Bozo the Clown - so I'm not making this argument from a pro-religion perspective at all.

    But nobody, neither the business owner, nor the government, nor society, is compelling anyone to work for any particular company.

    If a business has policies which I, as an employee don't agree with, it's a very simple matter for me to not work for that business and instead find employment elsewhere.

    I'm a librarian by training, but I refuse to work for a public or academic library system.

    Why?

    Because you'd be hard pressed to find a library in America that doesn't require librarians to work at least some evenings and weekends, that doesn't require mandatory union membership, and that pays $100,000+ a year.

    There are plenty of opportunities in America for me to put my training, skills and experience to use without accepting employment that either compromises my values, under-compensates me for my time and effort, or places working conditions upon me that I'd prefer not to deal with.

    I don't see how the Hobby Lobby's issue with the ACA and how HL's noncompliance with the ACA impacts employees, is any different than my own issues with the terms of certain employment.

    Don't want to work nights and weekends?

    Don't take a job that requires working nights and weekends.

    Want medical coverage that includes coverage of contraceptives?

    Then find a job where coverage of contraceptives is included in the healthcare insurance plan.

    The government stepping in and telling a business that it has to provide "x" (in this case, coverage of contraceptives) is no different than the government stepping in and telling a business that it can't run three shifts because the employees decided that none of them wanna work graveyard.
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