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Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gender

Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

Sure - here's one, took not even thirty seconds with Google...there's probably more if I search harder.

1 Corinthians 10:

31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33 even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.

Ah, I remember, maybe not that specific verse, but a similar one. But looking just prior to that:

23 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. 24 No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.

25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”[f]

27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29 I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

Between this and what I remember (could well be a different translation of this same section), basically something that you consider to not be a sin someone else might, and you should try to not to do that action around them. But this is only one section of "instruction" and I view my religion as a whole. All the things weaved together. In the end, I am judged by my actions and my actions alone. Not by what others do, and , in my view, not by whether others committed sins by things I provided to them, especially when their religion might not consider them a sin. God gave everyone the choice to follow and worship whomever they wish. I am realistic enough to realize that I indeed could be wrong with regards to God and my religion. But even if I am not, whom am I to counteract God's plan to allow others to choose for themselves? I can preach/witness/testify/etc to my heart and soul's content. That requires nothing from anyone else. They don't even have to listen, they can just walk away or ignore me. But the moment that I try to codify my religious beliefs into law, I am bypassing God's gift of choice to others. Each individual has to decide for themselves whether or not something is a sin. The bible and the other religious texts are great guidelines, but they are still human works and subject to error. We caught one error, the Adulterer's Bible, but how many more errors are there within the various religious text that have never been caught. Or cultural context and implications that we no longer have any real understanding about. Supposedly the word that was translated into "witch" for the KJV translation didn't come from the original word that mean "wise one" but from the word that should have translated to "warlock" which originally mean "oathbreaker". There are all kinds of arguments on what the various translations are or supposed to be. That is why one must use their conscience and relationship with their deity as the ultimate indicator as to what is a sin.

That said it does not mean that everything is permissible within a society. That is where the "your freedom stops where it imposes upon my freedom" thing comes in. The sad thing is, many people want to interpret someone else choice within that other's freedom, that inconveniences the person or makes them feel uncomfortable as an imposition upon their own freedom.
 
Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

“When I went to hire a receptionist, when I went to hire a secretary, when I went to hire somebody who was going to answer the phones for a church, I wanted the most welcoming, inviting hospitable voice on our end of the line I could find,” Fischer continued. “And I said, ‘Guys, don’t bother applying. I am discriminating on the basis of gender. Your males need not apply for this position.’”
He does have a valid point here. And really that would apply to any business.
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

He does have a valid point here. And really that would apply to any business.
Not a valid point and wrong.
 
Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

He does have a valid point here. And really that would apply to any business.

I don't know. If your primary target is ladies, then someone with a voice like James Earl Jones or Sean Connery would be better than any female's
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

Not a valid point and wrong.
Sure it's a valid point. He gave very sound reasoning for his decision.
 
Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

I don't know. If your primary target is ladies, then someone with a voice like James Earl Jones or Sean Connery would be better than any female's
That doesn't seem to be the image he was trying to project.
 
Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

That doesn't seem to be the image he was trying to project.

Maybe so, but when blanket statements are made I will come and slash the sheets!
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

Sure it's a valid point. He gave very sound reasoning for his decision.

I guess I'm not surprised that you'd think that.
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

I guess I'm not surprised that you'd think that.
So what exactly is your objection to his decision?
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

So what exactly is your objection to his decision?

A businesses success or failure will not rely on a chippy female voice answering the phone and sitting behind a desk looking pretty. This yayhoo's way of thinking is outdated and flawed.
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

A businesses success or failure will not rely on a chippy female voice answering the phone and sitting behind a desk looking pretty. This yayhoo's way of thinking is outdated and flawed.
It certainly does present a friendly image.

What do have against "chippy" pretty women anyways?

Don't pretty women pay enough attention to you or what?
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

It certainly does present a friendly image.

What do have against "chippy" pretty women anyways?

Don't pretty women pay enough attention to you or what?
Not a thing. What do you have against not being sexist? I work for one of the big three accounting firms. There are dudes here who answer the phone and guess what, business is growing. No one gives a rats ass who's answering the phone.
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

Not a thing. What do you have against not being sexist? I work for one of the big three accounting firms. There are dudes here who answer the phone and guess what, business is growing. No one gives a rats ass who's answering the phone.
Not a thing.

I was wondering why anyone would bitch about a "chippy" pretty woman sitting behind a desk answering the phone. WTF?
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

Not a thing.

I was wondering why anyone would bitch about a "chippy" pretty woman sitting behind a desk answering the phone. WTF?
You're in agreement with an pastor who's thinking is outdated and probably mentally ill who has no valid point. The days of Women in their place, barefoot and pregnant and all that nonsense are long gone.
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

You're in agreement with an pastor who's thinking is outdated and probably mentally ill who has no valid point.
Mentally ill? Says the guy who has it out for "chippy" pretty girls for no apparent reason.

The days of Women in their place, barefoot and pregnant and all that nonsense are long gone.
Not really. Women still get pregnant.
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

Mentally ill? Says the guy who has it out for "chippy" pretty girls for no apparent reason.

Not really. Women still get pregnant.
Brilliant, Mensa watch out.
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

Brilliant, Mensa watch out.
Says the guy who claims that women don't get pregnant anymore. The guy who insinuates that just because a woman is pretty and has a personable voice that she's necessarily promiscuous and then says others' way of thinking is outdated. :roll:
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

Says the guy who claims that women don't get pregnant anymore.
The guy who insinuates that just because a woman is pretty and has a personable voice that she's necessarily promiscuous and then says others' way of thinking is outdated. :roll:
I said that?
WTF are you on drugs?
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

I said that?
How soon you forget.

A businesses success or failure will not rely on a chippy female voice answering the phone and sitting behind a desk looking pretty. This yayhoo's way of thinking is outdated and flawed.
chip·py ˈCHipē
noun

a promiscuous young woman, esp. a prostitute.

And then you have the audacity to call others sexists with outdated thinking.
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

How soon you forget.




And then you have the audacity to call others sexists with outdated thinking.
I didn't say that Women no longer get pregnant or that a Woman with a chippy voice is promiscuous. Now run along and play with your blocks.
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

I didn't say that Women no longer get pregnant or that a Woman with a chippy voice is promiscuous.
Saying that a woman is "chippy" is a sexist insult. Similar to calling her a slut.

You also said the times of women getting pregnant are over.

Don't you even pay attention to what you type?
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

Saying that a woman is "chippy" is a sexist insult. Similar to calling her a slut.

You also said the times of women getting pregnant are over.

Don't you even pay attention to what you type?
You seriously need to improve your reading comprehension skills. I said the days of Women "Barefoot and pregnant are over" Look it up. And the context that I used "Chippy" in is akin to chipper, peppy. Go look for someone else to lead down a rabbit hole.
 
Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

Ah, I remember, maybe not that specific verse, but a similar one. But looking just prior to that:



Between this and what I remember (could well be a different translation of this same section), basically something that you consider to not be a sin someone else might, and you should try to not to do that action around them. But this is only one section of "instruction" and I view my religion as a whole. All the things weaved together. In the end, I am judged by my actions and my actions alone. Not by what others do, and , in my view, not by whether others committed sins by things I provided to them, especially when their religion might not consider them a sin. God gave everyone the choice to follow and worship whomever they wish. I am realistic enough to realize that I indeed could be wrong with regards to God and my religion. But even if I am not, whom am I to counteract God's plan to allow others to choose for themselves? I can preach/witness/testify/etc to my heart and soul's content. That requires nothing from anyone else. They don't even have to listen, they can just walk away or ignore me. But the moment that I try to codify my religious beliefs into law, I am bypassing God's gift of choice to others. Each individual has to decide for themselves whether or not something is a sin. The bible and the other religious texts are great guidelines, but they are still human works and subject to error. We caught one error, the Adulterer's Bible, but how many more errors are there within the various religious text that have never been caught. Or cultural context and implications that we no longer have any real understanding about. Supposedly the word that was translated into "witch" for the KJV translation didn't come from the original word that mean "wise one" but from the word that should have translated to "warlock" which originally mean "oathbreaker". There are all kinds of arguments on what the various translations are or supposed to be. That is why one must use their conscience and relationship with their deity as the ultimate indicator as to what is a sin.

That said it does not mean that everything is permissible within a society. That is where the "your freedom stops where it imposes upon my freedom" thing comes in. The sad thing is, many people want to interpret someone else choice within that other's freedom, that inconveniences the person or makes them feel uncomfortable as an imposition upon their own freedom.

*sigh*. It's hard to believe that someone who believes that he is Christian thinks it's okay to serve others that which he believes is sinful.

From 1 Timothy 5:

20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Are those who are drinking what you believe to be sinful sinning? In your eyes, they are. So instead of serving them, according to Scripture, you should be rebuking them. The chapter continues:

21 I charge [thee] before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality. 22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.

By enabling others to sin, you are partaking in their sins. How you cannot see this is unfathomable.

23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. 24 Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some [men] they follow after. 25 Likewise also the good works [of some] are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.

"Use a little wine" for one's stomach and infirmities. Is that in accordance with Mormon belief? Perhaps it is - I don't know. But along a different line, I do know this: in the earliest available translations, the Bible does not say that wine was served at the Last Supper. According to the time of year, it's hard to believe that it was grape juice and not wine...but the Bible doesn't say "wine". In all descriptions of the Last Supper, the Bible says: "juice of the fruit of the vine"...and those descriptions of the Last Supper (I think there were three) are the only time in the Bible that "juice of the fruit of the vine" was used - "wine" was used in all other descriptions throughout the Bible.
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

You seriously need to improve your reading comprehension skills. I said the days of Women "Barefoot and pregnant are over" Look it up.
I think barefoot goes without saying since there are no women who leave their shoes on for 9 months. And no the days of women getting pregnant are not over. So your statement is totally 100% incorrect. In fact my spouse is 15 weeks pregnant right now.

And the context that I used "Chippy" in is akin to chipper, peppy.
No chippy is not akin to chipper except that the words have some of the same letters.

The guy says this...

“When I went to hire a receptionist, when I went to hire a secretary, when I went to hire somebody who was going to answer the phones for a church, I wanted the most welcoming, inviting hospitable voice on our end of the line I could find,”

And somehow from that you go to "chippy pretty girl". An obvious attempt to insult women.

What the hell do you have against pretty women who talk on the phone and pregnant women? Why do you disparage them?
 
Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

I think barefoot goes without saying since there are no women who leave their shoes on for 9 months. And no the days of women getting pregnant are not over. So your statement is totally 100% incorrect. In fact my spouse is 15 weeks pregnant right now.

No chippy is not akin to chipper except that the words have some of the same letters.

The guy says this...

“When I went to hire a receptionist, when I went to hire a secretary, when I went to hire somebody who was going to answer the phones for a church, I wanted the most welcoming, inviting hospitable voice on our end of the line I could find,”

And somehow from that you go to "chippy pretty girl". An obvious attempt to insult women.

What the hell do you have against pretty women who talk on the phone and pregnant women? Why do you disparage them?

You're indeed special.
 
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