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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    A corporation is still the property of its owners.

    Forcing someone to allow his property to be used in a manner that he considered immoral is no different, ethically, from forcing that person to directly participate in that which he considers immoral.
    Well too bad, lots of laws make us do things we'd rather not do but its still the law. Having a religious opinion about it doesn't change ****.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    There is no involvement in the private lives of employees. Nor are special rights being requested.
    Are we talking about the same case here? They want special consideration to override a secular law because of a specific religious belief that the owners hold.
    That would, if granted, be the condoning of a specific dogma by the state.
    Unconstitutional.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Are we talking about the same case here? They want special consideration to override a secular law because of a specific religious belief that the owners hold.
    That would, if granted, be the condoning of a specific dogma by the state.
    Unconstitutional.
    Well yes. The owners of Hobby Lobby wish to exercise their freedom of religion as they see fit. The only special consideration they seek is that the First Amendment is meaningful.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

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    It's not extending into the private lives of employees at all. Hell other companies extend their business into the private lives of employees more than HL would be doing with this. What about companies that state that you cannot post negative comments about them on social media? How is that not extending into the private lives of employees? HL's policy would not prevent their employees from obtaining the drugs in question should the employees so desire to obtain them. HL simply won't pay for said drugs. Your premise is completely wrong. For that matter, this issue goes beyond religion. If I don't want to provide a given benefit for whatever reason, I shouldn't have to. Compensation for work done, yes. Medical insurance on top of that? Only if I want to. Should all retail stores be required to provide an employee discount?
    They are asking for special exemption from a law that applies to all business' on purely dogmatic grounds. That would constitute special legal consideration to a specific religious belief being granted by the state.
    Clearly unconstitutional under the establishment of religion clause of the first amendment.

    BTW enforcing the social media limitations of an employee by firing them without prior signed agreement would be a first amendment violation as well.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    Well yes. The owners of Hobby Lobby wish to exercise their freedom of religion as they see fit. The only special consideration they seek is that the First Amendment is meaningful.
    They have the freedom to exercise their religious belief by practicing their dogma in private. In the secular world of for profit business imposing that belief on others through an exemption of the law has no such constitutional protections.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Are we talking about the same case here? They want special consideration to override a secular law because of a specific religious belief that the owners hold.
    That would, if granted, be the condoning of a specific dogma by the state.
    Unconstitutional.
    Oh so incorrect! We constitutionally condone many specific and even contradicting dogmas of faith, not to mention principles and practices. What is unconstitutional is to pass any laws which establish any specific religion (which would mean that ALL citizens would have to follow that particular tenet) or any which prohibits the free practice thereof, unless said practice interferes with another's freedom, which not only does this requirement do, but the whole of Obamacare and the mandate that employees over a given number of employees must provide health insurance
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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Oh so incorrect! We constitutionally condone many specific and even contradicting dogmas of faith, not to mention principles and practices. What is unconstitutional is to pass any laws which establish any specific religion (which would mean that ALL citizens would have to follow that particular tenet) or any which prohibits the free practice thereof, unless said practice interferes with another's freedom, which not only does this requirement do, but the whole of Obamacare and the mandate that employees over a given number of employees must provide health insurance
    Then the whole of your argument is with the SCOTUS not with me.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    Well yes. The owners of Hobby Lobby wish to exercise their freedom of religion as they see fit. The only special consideration they seek is that the First Amendment is meaningful.
    No one is suggesting the owners of Hobby Lobby not be able to practice what they preach. It is about imposing their subjective value of morals on others.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    They have the freedom to exercise their religious belief by practicing their dogma in private. In the secular world of for profit business imposing that belief on others through an exemption of the law has no such constitutional protections.
    An exemption is not being sought. The protection of constitutional rights, are.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    No one is suggesting the owners of Hobby Lobby not be able to practice what they preach. It is about imposing their subjective value of morals on others.
    The are not imposing their morals on anyone.

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