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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    HL is a corporation and as such has no religion.
    The owners do and have been clear they have run their business according to their religious values.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    HL has to comply with a law, the owners are free to pray as they please.
    "free exercise of religion" is law as well.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    "free exercise of religion" is law as well.
    Yes it is that is why the owners are free to pray as they please and the corporation has to comply with the laws as it is a separate entity.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

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    The owners do and have been clear they have run their business according to their religious values.
    Yes to the extent that the corporation complies with applicable laws.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    1. Hobby Lobby should in good conscience grandfather existing employees and their families in their insurance coverage. That is the right thing to do. Following that the - after a specific date - they should be free to deny insurance coverage (day after meds, as I understand it) to future employees and the conditions should be stated clearly in the employee contract i.e. if you are raped we won't pay a penny to provide insurance coverage for day after meds. If you want to work for them sign the contract and live with it.

    2. Businesses that don't support behaviors on the basis of religion should man up and post it on their web sites and public portals. Examples, "We abhor pre-marital sex, mixed marriages, post marital sex, same sex marriages, birth control, bastard children, people involved in marital affairs and unmarried people living together, masturbation and recreational sex." Let patrons decide where they want to spend their money. That's fair. No one is duped.










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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Yes it is that is why the owners are free to pray as they please and the corporation has to comply with the laws as it is a separate entity.
    The free exercise of religion doesn't just happen on a Sunday. People are allowed to live this way and their govern their lives this way.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    1. Hobby Lobby should in good conscience grandfather existing employees and their families in their insurance coverage. That is the right thing to do. Following that the - after a specific date - they should be free to deny insurance coverage (day after meds, as I understand it) to future employees and the conditions should be stated clearly in the employee contract i.e. if you are raped we won't pay a penny to provide insurance coverage for day after meds. If you want to work for them sign the contract and live with it.
    They can't grandfather anyone. The ACA doesn't allow.

    2. Businesses that don't support behaviors on the basis of religion should man up and post it on their web sites and public portals. Examples, "We abhor pre-marital sex, mixed marriages, post marital sex, same sex marriages, birth control, bastard children, people involved in marital affairs and unmarried people living together, masturbation and recreational sex." Let patrons decide where they want to spend their money. That's fair. No one is duped.
    Hobby Lobby have made no comment about employees behavior. They also apparently have always covered contraceptives. They object however to covering the "morning after pill" as they believe it complicit with abortion.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Nor should the first person's lack of religion ever govern someone else's life.


    Right?
    WTF is that supposed to mean?

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

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    Hobby Lobby have made no comment about employees behavior. They also apparently have always covered contraceptives. They object however to covering the "morning after pill" as they believe it complicit with abortion.
    Bullshat distinction. Some contraceptives do not prevent fertilization of the egg and only prevent implantation of the zygote... Just as the mourning after pill does.
    The distinction of "after the act" has nothing to do with the science of pregnancy prevention.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Bullshat distinction. Some contraceptives do not prevent fertilization of the egg and only prevent implantation of the zygote... Just as the mourning after pill does.
    The distinction of "after the act" has nothing to do with the science of pregnancy prevention.
    Apparently they refuse to cover four contraceptives. Perhaps the above makes up the other three.

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