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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    I was wondering about the relevence as to whether the owners of Hobby Lobby would hide behind a corporate shield in the event of tragedy.
    Ah, OK, thanks for the clarification.
    When one starts a business, it can take on a number of configurations. The simplest is a sole proprietorship. "YOU" are the business and along with that you enjoy both the benefits and liabilities that go along. On there other hand when one establishes a "corporation" under a myriad of possible configurations, one separates themselves on a personal level from the business. The question here is if one chooses to separate themselves from the business in order to enjoy the benefits such a separation affords, then how is that business still an extension of the person and thus their religion in this case?

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Ah, OK, thanks for the clarification.
    When one starts a business, it can take on a number of configurations. The simplest is a sole proprietorship. "YOU" are the business and along with that you enjoy both the benefits and liabilities that go along. On there other hand when one establishes a "corporation" under a myriad of possible configurations, one separates themselves on a personal level from the business. The question here is if one chooses to separate themselves from the business in order to enjoy the benefits such a separation affords, then how is that business still an extension of the person and thus their religion in this case?
    Because they are allowed to establish workplace rules, workplace philosophies and the like.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    Because they are allowed to establish workplace rules, workplace philosophies and the like.
    Not religion based rules.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Not religion based rules.
    Not selling insurance coverage for a particular item is not a religious based rule for employees. It imposes nothing upon them.
    Hobby Lobby has the religious philosophy they have.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    Not selling insurance coverage for a particular item is not a religious based rule for employees. It imposes nothing upon them.
    Hobby Lobby has the religious philosophy they have.
    They are not selling the insurance coverage.
    They are seeking an exemption based on religious grounds where none exist.
    They were already covering the very same things in their insurance.
    Now they are attempting to deny their employees something that a law mandates to cover.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    At issue here is not only HL but the implications of such a policy and the facts that there are scores of people who are just happy to find employment because they do need to bay bills.
    So it's every employer's responsibility to cater to the bottom-feeders in the employment pool who are "just happy to find a job".

    Interesting notion...

    Compounded by the fact that folks who believe it is our (the employee's) responsibility to actually prepare ourselves for the workforce by developing marketable skills apparently don't "need to pay the bills".

    Slackers of the world, unite! I guess.

    I'm being flippant, of course.

    But just a little.

    I doubt the employees of Hobby Lobby get a yearly bonus (calculated as a percentage of their gross yearly wages), as folks who work on higher rungs of the employment ladder might expect.

    And I'm sure that the employees of Hobby Lobby would love to receive such a bonus check just before, or shortly after, the holidays.

    It sure would help "just pay those bills".

    Why should an employer be MANDATED to provide one form of compensation but not another?

    Let me ask yo this: Do yo believe that if by some turn of fate the roof collapsed in a HL store and some people died or were seriously injured, would the owners sell all their personal belongings to compensate the victims and their families or they would take the benefit of personal separation, the corporation afforded them?
    I'll ask you: How would HL's responsibilities vis a vis the scenario you propose be any different in light of the ACA healthcare insurance angle than it would be in respect to any other work requirement/total compensation issue?

    I don''t imagine Hobby Lobby compensates employees for transportation to and from work, or provides a stock option plan, or offers the option of working from home.

    Is not including coverage of contraceptives in the group healthcare insurance plan really all that different than any of those things?

    So explain to me how not offering stock options impacts the employee/employer relationship in the even of a catastrophic roof collapse.
    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    They are not selling the insurance coverage.
    They are seeking an exemption based on religious grounds where none exist.
    They were already covering the very same things in their insurance.
    Now they are attempting to deny their employees something that a law mandates to cover.
    religious grounds do exist-- they have a religious objection to it.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    I knew Citizens United was going to be bad.....I just never envisioned it becoming the nightmare it is. We are damaging the Constitution.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    So it's every employer's responsibility to cater to the bottom-feeders in the employment pool who are "just happy to find a job".
    No, it is every employers responsibility to comply with laws. It is as simple as that.

    Slackers of the world, unite! I guess.
    You guess wrong just like your belief that irrelevant partisan tripe somehow amounts to intelligent reasoning.

    I'm being flippant, of course.
    Me too.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    religious grounds do exist-- they have a religious objection to it.
    No they do not. People have religion not corporations.

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