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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    I'd pay money to see him say this **** in front of my wife.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Christians believe in sharing, Nazis in thieving. End of story.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I'll tell you what, I think that religion is about the silliest thing since Bozo the Clown - so I'm not making this argument from a pro-religion perspective at all.

    But nobody, neither the business owner, nor the government, nor society, is compelling anyone to work for any particular company.

    If a business has policies which I, as an employee don't agree with, it's a very simple matter for me to not work for that business and instead find employment elsewhere.

    I'm a librarian by training, but I refuse to work for a public or academic library system.

    Why?

    Because you'd be hard pressed to find a library in America that doesn't require librarians to work at least some evenings and weekends, that doesn't require mandatory union membership, and that pays $100,000+ a year.

    There are plenty of opportunities in America for me to put my training, skills and experience to use without accepting employment that either compromises my values, under-compensates me for my time and effort, or places working conditions upon me that I'd prefer not to deal with.

    I don't see how the Hobby Lobby's issue with the ACA and how HL's noncompliance with the ACA impacts employees, is any different than my own issues with the terms of certain employment.

    Don't want to work nights and weekends?

    Don't take a job that requires working nights and weekends.

    Want medical coverage that includes coverage of contraceptives?

    Then find a job where coverage of contraceptives is included in the healthcare insurance plan.

    The government stepping in and telling a business that it has to provide "x" (in this case, coverage of contraceptives) is no different than the government stepping in and telling a business that it can't run three shifts because the employees decided that none of them wanna work graveyard.
    That is an overly simplistic and naive perspective. At issue here is not only HL but the implications of such a policy and the facts that there are scores of people who are just happy to find employment because they do need to bay bills.
    Let me ask yo this: Do yo believe that if by some turn of fate the roof collapsed in a HL store and some people died or were seriously injured, would the owners sell all their personal belongings to compensate the victims and their families or they would take the benefit of personal separation, the corporation afforded them?

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    On the opposing side:

    Businesses are gendered and racial... ( i.e minority business preferences ) so they may also be found having religious basis.

    Grist for the mill.

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    Not really. If you payed close attention to the wordings, you will find that it is "minority owned businesses" not minority businesses.
    By the way I do not agree with any form of preferential treatment in any case for anyone. Merit or nothing.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gender | The Raw Story

    This is not actually the main point of the article but I bring it up, as well as the discrimination also mentioned in the article, about the potential Hobby Lobby decision. So I throw out the question, can someone use their "religious objection" to discrimination laws and minimum wage laws to excuse themselves from having to comply with these laws? Similar to how Hobby Lobby is arguing that its religious objections should be grounds to excuse them from following the part of the ACA which defines what minimum coverage is.
    I agree this guy is missing a few functioning brain cells. He's obviously a sexist but that isn't illegal.

    And I'm sorry but if everyone is going to drag out every American nutcase trying to make a case against the Hobby Lobby people assuming that it will open up a free for all on every possible law, it's getting a little out of hand. Please remember that the HL people object to 4 forms of birth control. They still offer 16 forms of birth control, and they aren't advocating making women keep their legs crossed at all times.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Hey, come on folks, Fischer is just the messenger. It's god who is sexist.

    Just accept that 99.99999988887777666555443321 percent of the people don't get the straight skinny directly from god. Fischer is special. He joins the ranks of a few selected folks on the planet like say Pat Robertson who have a supernatural understanding of god and how to communicate with god about the important things in life for mere humans. So give the guy a break.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Nor should the first person's lack of religion ever govern someone else's life.

    Right?
    Religion ought to have nothing to do with politics, period. It should be a complete non-issue.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    That is an overly simplistic and naive perspective. At issue here is not only HL but the implications of such a policy and the facts that there are scores of people who are just happy to find employment because they do need to bay bills.
    Let me ask yo this: Do yo believe that if by some turn of fate the roof collapsed in a HL store and some people died or were seriously injured, would the owners sell all their personal belongings to compensate the victims and their families or they would take the benefit of personal separation, the corporation afforded them?
    Do you believe that First Amendment Rights are measured? That people have to pass some sort of secular judgement in order to have religious freedom?

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    Do you believe that First Amendment Rights are measured? That people have to pass some sort of secular judgement in order to have religious freedom?
    I am not sure what you mean here and I do not wish to reply out of context. Can you please elaborate a bit on this question?

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    I am not sure what you mean here and I do not wish to reply out of context. Can you please elaborate a bit on this question?
    I was wondering about the relevence as to whether the owners of Hobby Lobby would hide behind a corporate shield in the event of tragedy.

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