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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    This is only one of the crazy things to fall out of Bryan Fisher's mouth.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Given how obvious it is that you know nearly nothing about Mormonism that is correct, I think it is safe to claim that you do not, in fact, know anything about Mormonism that is true and that is not known to me or to nearly every other actual Mormon.

    You only make yourself look all the more foolish and dishonest by trying to claim any expertise on this subject.
    I know nearly nothing?

    Okay, according to your teachings, does Mormonism conflict with the Bible? And according to the Bible, is it a sin to enable others to do what is in God's eyes a sin?
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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    This is fair enough.

    However, from a strictly theological view, you have already indicated that religion must be subordinate to the state. Having to meet in secret is acceptable to attend church.

    This has never been the American political tradition though. Respecting the religious differences amongst the population, and accommodating for them when possible has been the tradition.
    Agreed that this has not been the American political tradition towards those by whom the "Christian" majority does not feel threatened. Remember who it is that is striving to get creationism taught in our schools, to get evolution and sex ed out of the classroom.
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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I know nearly nothing?

    Okay, according to your teachings, does Mormonism conflict with the Bible? And according to the Bible, is it a sin to enable others to do what is in God's eyes a sin?
    Book chapter and verse please, so that we may have context to what you are interpreting.
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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Book chapter and verse please, so that we may have context to what you are interpreting.
    Sure - here's one, took not even thirty seconds with Google...there's probably more if I search harder.

    1 Corinthians 10:

    31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33 even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.
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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Sure - here's one, took not even thirty seconds with Google...there's probably more if I search harder.

    1 Corinthians 10:

    31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33 even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.
    Ah, I remember, maybe not that specific verse, but a similar one. But looking just prior to that:

    23 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. 24 No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.

    25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”[f]

    27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29 I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?
    Between this and what I remember (could well be a different translation of this same section), basically something that you consider to not be a sin someone else might, and you should try to not to do that action around them. But this is only one section of "instruction" and I view my religion as a whole. All the things weaved together. In the end, I am judged by my actions and my actions alone. Not by what others do, and , in my view, not by whether others committed sins by things I provided to them, especially when their religion might not consider them a sin. God gave everyone the choice to follow and worship whomever they wish. I am realistic enough to realize that I indeed could be wrong with regards to God and my religion. But even if I am not, whom am I to counteract God's plan to allow others to choose for themselves? I can preach/witness/testify/etc to my heart and soul's content. That requires nothing from anyone else. They don't even have to listen, they can just walk away or ignore me. But the moment that I try to codify my religious beliefs into law, I am bypassing God's gift of choice to others. Each individual has to decide for themselves whether or not something is a sin. The bible and the other religious texts are great guidelines, but they are still human works and subject to error. We caught one error, the Adulterer's Bible, but how many more errors are there within the various religious text that have never been caught. Or cultural context and implications that we no longer have any real understanding about. Supposedly the word that was translated into "witch" for the KJV translation didn't come from the original word that mean "wise one" but from the word that should have translated to "warlock" which originally mean "oathbreaker". There are all kinds of arguments on what the various translations are or supposed to be. That is why one must use their conscience and relationship with their deity as the ultimate indicator as to what is a sin.

    That said it does not mean that everything is permissible within a society. That is where the "your freedom stops where it imposes upon my freedom" thing comes in. The sad thing is, many people want to interpret someone else choice within that other's freedom, that inconveniences the person or makes them feel uncomfortable as an imposition upon their own freedom.
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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    “When I went to hire a receptionist, when I went to hire a secretary, when I went to hire somebody who was going to answer the phones for a church, I wanted the most welcoming, inviting hospitable voice on our end of the line I could find,” Fischer continued. “And I said, ‘Guys, don’t bother applying. I am discriminating on the basis of gender. Your males need not apply for this position.’”
    He does have a valid point here. And really that would apply to any business.

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    Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    He does have a valid point here. And really that would apply to any business.
    Not a valid point and wrong.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    He does have a valid point here. And really that would apply to any business.
    I don't know. If your primary target is ladies, then someone with a voice like James Earl Jones or Sean Connery would be better than any female's
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    Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Not a valid point and wrong.
    Sure it's a valid point. He gave very sound reasoning for his decision.

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