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    Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Let me ask you, do you think there should be an exception to minimum wage laws if you have a religious reason for it?
    Huh? Left field?

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    Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Huh? Left field?
    That's the point of the topic, are you just going to troll around or discuss the topic?

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    Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    That's the point of the topic, are you just going to troll around or discuss the topic?
    Fair enough. There are no religious objections to minimum wage. There are, on the other hand, religious objections to tax funded abortion.

    For that matter, there are non-religious moral objectors to tax funded abortion.

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    Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

    any individual or business, can discriminate based on anything
    they want, and it only limits their own potential.
    You see, I can always choose to NOT do business
    with any religious fanatic, and I am quite certain that
    in any case, I can either do without, or find better goods & services
    from outfits that do not discriminate.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

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    You are missing it completely. If I try to pick and choose options, I am looking for those who will give me those options. If no one will provide those options, then that is my problem. If they will provide those options, it is my gain. In neither case do I force or tell the company what they can and can't sell. I can only tell them what I am and am not willing to buy.

    If I get my insurance through my work, I do not get a choice of what insurance company (and by extension what doctors, and other choices), so no the choices are not solely between my and the insurance company. When I purchase the insurance policy wholely from my own money, I then get to choose which doctors, facilities and options I want because I can look for the insurance company that will provide the details I want. At least until someone comes by and makes a law that says I'm not allowed to make those choices.

    Insurance companies provide many services as a whole but not all of those services are on all policies. At least until someone makes a law to say that it must be provided. This now prevents someone from saving some money by not being charged for certain services.



    Finally! You have something correct. This is where our rights lie and on many aspects. Don't like what benefits a company provides its employees? Don't shop there. That is within your right. Changing what benefits the company offers through the force of law. Now you are violating the company and business owner's rights. Don't like what your company is giving you for benefits? You can leave or you can try to convince the company to change what they give you. That is within your rights. Changing what benefits the company gives you through the force of law. Now you are violating the company and business owner's rights.
    Oddly the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) has been around since 1965 and Hobby Lobby was founded in 1972 if they didnt want to provide certain benefits they plainly knew that they had no choice before they even opened for business. WHat changed? WHy its Obamacare that changed things right? But it wasnt Obamacare that makes it illegal to discriminate against employees based on religious beliefs.


    All this doesnt really boil down to a discussion of religious freedoms but instead its a political issue. I dont like Obamacare as much as anyone but I fail to see how using a radical religious position is going to do any good. really I see horadil religious activists like Hobby Lobby pretty much build a defense for Obamacare.

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    Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Fair enough. There are no religious objections to minimum wage. There are, on the other hand, religious objections to tax funded abortion.

    For that matter, there are non-religious moral objectors to tax funded abortion.
    Who are you to say what is a religious objection and what isn't? This guy clearly thinks he has a religious objection. And what if we aren't even talking about a Christian religious objection?

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    Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . . ."

    If you do religion the way that the state likes
    you get a big fat juicy tax exemption
    and if you do not do religion the way that the state likes,
    you get NOTHING!

    Separation of Church & State ..... whats that?

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    I don't see a similarity with Hobby Lobby and any tie in to discrimination and/or wage laws.

    Sometimes I think there should be a " dumb and dumber political humor" sub-forum for this type of junk.... The guy is wrong in his thinking.

    The real truth of the matter is that once upon a time all secretaries, aides, and assts. were men. It is just another example of pushy women moving in to displace the rightful male business position !!!

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    Well, I for one do not believe that women should be relegated to only secretarial roles, but one thing is for sure; they sure do make the best office coffee. God bless 'em!

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    Re: Fischer: God ‘designed’ women to be secretaries so it’s OK to discriminate on gen

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Huh? Left field?
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Fair enough. There are no religious objections to minimum wage. There are, on the other hand, religious objections to tax funded abortion.

    For that matter, there are non-religious moral objectors to tax funded abortion.


    Who are you to infringe upon my sincerely held religious belief that minimum wage laws are against the will of God?
    And, what, now we have to account for every non-religious moral exemption also?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    In a free country, people should be allowed to live their lives as they see fit.
    Including in business.

    Should a Jewish deli store owner be compelled to sell non-Kosher food? Should a Moslem store owner be compelled to sell liquor?
    Muslim Liquor Store Owners Face Criticism

    And when it comes to selling non-kosher foods, apparently, it's not entirely impossible.

    And apparently Hobby Lobby was not always concerned on contraception because it was doing 80% of what it was legally required to do before the lawsuit in September of 2012

    1. Hobby Lobby built its case on an extreme interpretation of medically refuted pseudo-science.

    Here’s the thing about the Hobby Lobby challenge to the contraception mandate: The company was already doing 80 percent of what’s legally required before it sued the government in 2012.

    Hobby Lobby already covered 16 of the 20 methods of contraception mandated under the Affordable Care Act, but it didn’t cover Plan B One-Step, Ella (another brand of emergency contraception) and two forms of intrauterine devices. This is because the owners of Hobby Lobby have incorrectly labeled these methods of birth control and emergency contraception as “abortifacients,” a claim popular among anti-choice ideologues but refuted by scientific evidence and major reproductive health associations.

    “These medications are there to prevent or delay ovulation,” Dr. Petra Casey, an obstetrician-gynecologist at the Mayo Clinic, told the New York Times in a piece on the science behind emergency contraception. “They don’t act after fertilization.” As the Times noted, there is no credible evidence to support the claim that emergency contraception like Plan B and ella prevent fertilized eggs from implanting in the womb. Instead, the pills delay ovulation and hormonal IUDs thicken cervical mucus to prevent sperm from reaching the egg, meaning that fertilization never even occurs. When used as a form of emergency contraception, the copper IUD can interrupt implantation, but this still does not mean a pregnancy has occurred.

    There are actual abortion-inducing pills on the market (they are incredibly safe and widely used) — emergency contraception is not one of them.

    Hobby Lobby is hoping the Supreme Court will swallow pseudo-science as medical fact, which, put politely, requires some serious chutzpah.
    So why make such a big deal about it in September 2012? Probably a good time to use Obamacare as a scapegoat.
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