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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    Sure they have-- or at least the ACA would thus require.
    ACA refers to corporations and unless you are Romney, corporations are not really people.

    Objection to supporting abortion.
    That is a load of crap. How is it different if they use the company money to buy an insurance policy that MAY provide medications they object to vs. the money they pay the employee who may buy it?

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    Its quite clear they were-- freedom of religion is being claimed only exists within those sacred parameters of churches, synagogues or mosques.
    You sees something that is not there or are willingly misrepresenting posts.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    ACA refers to corporations and unless you are Romney, corporations are not really people.
    Run by people who wish to run it a certain way.

    That is a load of crap. How is it different if they use the company money to buy an insurance policy that MAY provide medications they object to vs. the money they pay the employee who may buy it?
    They are required under Obamacare to provide a health insurance policy that itself is required to to cover contraceptives. HL insurance has always covered some contraceptives, but not all, and they would be required now to cover contraceptives that they view as abortifacients. They have religious objections to this.

    When somebody works, and is paid, that is their money. They can do with it what they wish. There is no hypocracy involved by HL.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    You sees something that is not there or are willingly misrepresenting posts.
    OK-- so then what is the problem with the owners of HL not wishing to pay for certain contraceptives whose use they believe results in an event which violates their religious belief?

    Or to ask it another way-- in what manner can an employer exercise his or her religious principles, while conducting his or her business?

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    If Hobby Lobby wins, any company can claim to be Christian Scientists or equivalent and refuse to provide any healthcare at all. Companies could refuse to pay for disability insurance because they claim to believe in faith healing. Quakers could be allowed to pay only half their federal taxes because they are opposed to war. Self proclaimed Puritans could refuse to pay overtime because they believe work benefits the employee. Businesses owned by members of Christian Identity churches would be allowed to racially discriminate.

    There needs to be some limits to the use of "exercise of religion" to exempt people or organizations from obeying the law or it can become a loophole big enough to make nearly any and all laws moot.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    If Hobby Lobby wins, any company can claim to be Christian Scientists or equivalent and refuse to provide any healthcare at all. Companies could refuse to pay for disability insurance because they claim to believe in faith healing. Quakers could be allowed to pay only half their federal taxes because they are opposed to war. Self proclaimed Puritans could refuse to pay overtime because they believe work benefits the employee. Businesses owned by members of Christian Identity churches would be allowed to racially discriminate.
    And if they lose it will be established that government does not have to respect the religious freedom of business owners. That individuals can't run their business in line with their faith if the government decides otherwise. Your fear of not being able to control people is absolute trash and not even worth talking about.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Why should an employer be able to "purchase" religious affectation merely due to wealth? It may be less ethical.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    Run by people who wish to run it a certain way.
    Yes as long as they comply with the law. Persons can not hide behind separate entities and assign them religion.

    They are required under Obamacare to provide a health insurance policy that itself is required to to cover contraceptives. HL insurance has always covered some contraceptives, but not all, and they would be required now to cover contraceptives that they view as abortifacients.
    Oddly enough they were covering it before.

    They have religious objections to this.
    They are not paying for it the corporation is and it is really no different than the employee buying it from their paycheck which the corporation is paying also. In other words their claim is bogus self righteous crap.

    When somebody works, and is paid, that is their money. They can do with it what they wish. There is no hypocracy involved by HL.
    And when someone buys an insurance policy then it is the insurance company's money and they can pay for whatever.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    OK-- so then what is the problem with the owners of HL not wishing to pay for certain contraceptives whose use they believe results in an event which violates their religious belief?
    They are not paying for it. It is not their money it is corporate money.

    Or to ask it another way-- in what manner can an employer exercise his or her religious principles, while conducting his or her business?
    In any way they see fit as long as they comply with the law.

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    Re: Religious Objection to Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    If Hobby Lobby wins, any company can claim to be Christian Scientists or equivalent and refuse to provide any healthcare at all. Companies could refuse to pay for disability insurance because they claim to believe in faith healing. Quakers could be allowed to pay only half their federal taxes because they are opposed to war. Self proclaimed Puritans could refuse to pay overtime because they believe work benefits the employee. Businesses owned by members of Christian Identity churches would be allowed to racially discriminate.

    There needs to be some limits to the use of "exercise of religion" to exempt people or organizations from obeying the law or it can become a loophole big enough to make nearly any and all laws moot.
    The ACA allows any company to refuse to provide healthcare insurance (you missed the word "insurance" - Hobby Lobby isn't in the "healthcare" business) to their employees. They simply pay a fine instead. So your concerns about the Christian Scientists are not relevant.

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