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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Are you serious? You really do believe the only corporations in existence are in the US? You really believe people/communities cannot create their own businesses?
    Provide a list of players who are chompin at the bit to locate in Haiti. Shouldnt be that hard.
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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Which rather neatly (if obviously) sidesteps the actual question: is it right for the U.S. to pressure Haiti into keeping wages lower?
    Haitians need jobs, not charity. The US is investing in Haiti's infrastructure....because without electricity many businesses couldn't locate there if they wanted to.

    With a 50% illiteracy rate and 40% unemployment and half the country still reeling from the earthquake and cholera....low paying jobs are better than no jobs at all. Five dollars a day is $150 a month compared to $100 a year is huge step up for most Haitians. It's not perfect, but it's a start and much better than waiting for your kind contribution to a Haitian charity that only provides crap they don't need or want.
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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That is not the point.
    Then what is the point, Maggie? That the US got caught trying to help Haitians help themselves?

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Where else are the corporations going to go for cheaper labor than Haitian labor?
    Bangladesh, Vietnam, .....

    "...At 200 Haitian gourdes ($5) a day, the national minimum wage is hardly riches. But that still works out to $150 a month, says Müller-Poitevien; in Bangladesh, it is $40.

    Delatour adds that, Hope or not, Haiti has one clear advantage over Bangladesh: there is no child labour. The unstated reality is that there are too many unemployed Haitian adults fighting for the same job to allow entry to underage workers....."
    Haiti's employment push turns to textiles as farming tradition uprooted | Rashmee Roshan Lall | Global development | theguardian.com

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    If you ask the Haitians what they would prefer...a priest named Aristides who is pro labor or a USA State Dept./CIA coup and a new supreme leader who is pro USA Corporate...which do you think they would chose?
    Ask Haitians if they would prefer a job that pays $5 a day ...or job that pays $1 a day but with safety regulations....they would likely chose the $5 a day job. Laborers themselves have to make demands for higher wages and better working conditions and that means organizing and unions.

    Where once labor in China was the lowest paid in the world...now they demanding higher wages and better working conditions and are part of growing middle class. The same is true for many other under developed emerging countries that had large uneducated labor pools and had to start their economies from scratch.

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Then what is the point, Maggie? That the US got caught trying to help Haitians help themselves?
    It is your opinion they were helped by that US intervention. Who the hell are we (as a government) to interfere? Perhaps our government would do much better by Haiti if they actually helped them recover from the 2010 earthquake as we've promised.

    $1.3 billion was allocated to Haiti. $651 million was given to USAid to manage. Among other things, USAid promised over 15,000 homes. They've built 2,600. USAid hasn't even begun to build the port so crucial to Haiti's economic development. The projected had promised thousands of jobs.

    Mismanagement of a crucial housing project, originally meant for up to 90,000 people. USAid has now reduced the number of those to benefit from new housing to about 3,200 to 15,900, from 75,000-90,000, at nearly double the original cost of $59m. The cost per house has soared nearly threefold from $8,000 per unit.

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So you are against raising minimum wage in America for that same reason I guess.
    The US is not an under developed country with 50% illiteracy rate and 40% unemployment. So no, I am not against raising the minium wage in the US ....nor I'm not against raising it in Haiti when their economy can sustain it like ours can.

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Provide a list of players who are chompin at the bit to locate in Haiti. Shouldnt be that hard.
    How about any company that wants to outsource to save money and increase profits? That is one of the silliest requests I have ever read on this forum (and I have seen a lot of them).

    I want the Haitians to be self-sufficient, not dependent on slave wages.
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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    If it means those people have a job when they otherwise would not, then yes, it is right.
    Haiti clearly wished to improve their country in their own way, but we interfered not for the benefit of the employee but on behalf of the companies, and either way we'll never know now. It was completely inappropriate.

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It is your opinion they were helped by that US intervention. Who the hell are we (as a government) to interfere? Perhaps our government would do much better by Haiti if they actually helped them recover from the 2010 earthquake as we've promised.
    Who said they weren't? Haiti asked for US collaberation to help create jobs and long term economic growth.....not dependency on foreign aide.

    $1.3 billion was allocated to Haiti. $651 million was given to USAid to manage. Among other things, USAid promised over 15,000 homes. They've built 2,600. USAid hasn't even begun to build the port so crucial to Haiti's economic development. The projected had promised thousands of jobs.
    Many of the USAID projects are long term so the money wasn't all spent at once. But aside from substantial humanitarian assistance they have to build infrastructure such as electrical plants to help bring the country into the modern world. Most modern businesses require electricity in order to operate and without it Haiti stands little chance of attracting businesses and investments in that will help long term.

    Haiti has a lot of issues and challenges to overcome and USAID is helping them to build a long term sustainable economy for themselves. Why is that so wrong?


    Energy | U.S. Agency for International Development

    Economic Growth and Trade | U.S. Agency for International Development

    Agriculture and Food Security | U.S. Agency for International Development

    Education | U.S. Agency for International Development

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