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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If you ask the Haitians what they would prefer...a job that only pays 31 cents an hour....or no job at all....which do you think they would chose?
    You're making the assumption that the jobs would have moved with the original wage increase. It's questionable these corps would have bothered getting the US government involved if they intended to follow through on that.

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Which rather neatly (if obviously) sidesteps the actual question: is it right for the U.S. to pressure Haiti into keeping wages lower?
    If it means those people have a job when they otherwise would not, then yes, it is right.

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Clearly the US government knows what's better for Haiti than the Haitian government does.
    Maybe.

    How many governments has Haiti had in the last 30 years?

    Seems they cannot keep a government around for a generation.

    With that track record it is hard to claim that they know what is best.

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    I wouldnt call China poor, they have the #2 economy in the world now.
    They have people working for a couple of dollars a day there, so...

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    I have no issue if the corporations want to lobyb the Haitan government to do this.

    I don't really see a point to our State Department doing such lobbying.

    I see how it serves the corporations interests to keep the pay down.

    I'm not quite sure how it serves American interests whether or not the wages go up or not.

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That is not our decision to make. Our State Department should not be getting involved in another country's business. And most especially not when it's only to benefit state-side corporations. How is a country ever to improve itself if it's blackmailed or coerced into holding wages down by the government of the United States?
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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    They have people working for a couple of dollars a day there, so...
    We have people working for a couple of Dollars a day here too, those illegals mowing your lawn, for example.

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    We have people working for a couple of Dollars a day here too, those illegals mowing your lawn, for example.
    No, you can't get those guys interesting in working for that. They won't take less than $40 for the lawn (< 1 hour of work) and $80 to clean the house (3 to 4 hours).

    What a country! The illegals make way more in the US than skilled citizens in China do.

    I'm pretty sure that going without a job in Haiti means starvation. You guys sure are glib about that. The Haitian government was about to scotch that whole industry and Clinton steps in to keep them working. I say, "Good job, Clinton."

    And, by the way, a lot of people will benefit from the availability of low cost biuejeans. In Texas the illegals all wear them.

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Post a list of all those other companies?
    Are you serious? You really do believe the only corporations in existence are in the US? You really believe people/communities cannot create their own businesses?
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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    This statement, and the situation that is the thread topic, reminds me of the observation of Thomas Aquinas: "If you can live amid injustice without anger, you are immoral".

    That the US government enforces a grossly unjust situation in Haiti is no surprise to me, but disgusting nonetheless. By way of corporate influence, this country has reached a level of fascism.

    Thanks to Wikileaks for yet another sobering insight.
    A appreciate your insight. I don't always agree with you or your views but at least you are very consistent. A lot of people that use the title "Libertarian" are really just hardcore conservative corporatist.
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