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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    There is no other option of wages being raised and jobs still around?

    Thats the point, there aren't a lot of options in a poor country like Haiti. So if you chase away the few manufacturers that provide jobs you've basically guarenteed the poor will stay poor and hungry...as opposed to earning a steady income that would allow them to send their kids to school or afford better food or buy a cow or whatever.


    The poor know they have few options and are grateful for the few they do have.....take that away and they've got nothing.

    Bangladesh factory fire victims want old jobs back - World News

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Thats the point, there aren't a lot of options in a poor country like Haiti. So if you chase away the few manufacturers that provide jobs you've basically guarenteed the poor will stay poor and hungry...as opposed to earning a steady income that would allow them to send their kids to school or afford better food or buy a cow or whatever.


    The poor know they have few options and are grateful for the few they do have.....take that away and they've got nothing.

    Bangladesh factory fire victims want old jobs back - World News
    Not true in all cases.
    How Garment Workers Decided $104.72 a Month Was A Living Wage : Planet Money : NPR
    Cambodia Ups Minimum Wages for Workers
    Cambodia: garment workers increase pressure for higher wages - CSMonitor.com


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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yes, it's the difference between going hungry and a steady income.
    Actually, it's difference between paying 18 dollars per t-shirt instead of $15. Most wage slaves don't make enough money to actually be correctly fed or have a steady income.
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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The "free market" requires governments to intervene to pressure other governments in keeping wages low for personal gain? ****... That doesnt sound free at all.. It sounds totalitarian..
    You do have a twisted view, and regardless of all your precautions, things are as they are anyway; products built in China cheaper in spite of minimum wages here.
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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    The USA government shouldn't try to protect US entities and interests overseas? Really?
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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You do have a twisted view, and regardless of all your precautions, things are as they are anyway; products built in China cheaper in spite of minimum wages here.
    Twisted view? How is it at all twisted?


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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually, it's difference between paying 18 dollars per t-shirt instead of $15. Most wage slaves don't make enough money to actually be correctly fed or have a steady income.
    Exactly right.

    Or the difference between making a profit of $2 per shirt, or $1.50 per shirt.

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Heres the thing. You want higher wsges to make ppls lives better. As if that higher wage doesnt come with a cost. It does. You dont care if someone "rich" is harmed as long as the little guy gets what hes owed! That is very short sighted, and causes serious problems for everyone.
    Taking money away from the rich that they don't need and "can't" use (1) doesn't harm them and (2) improves the economy.

    That's like saying taking land away from a feudal lord and reassigning it to merchants and engineers is bad.

    Higher wages and more jobs draws people deeper into the economy, but "people" aren't something corporations can afford to invest in beyond the most practical degree because there's an uncertain return on the investment.

    That is, there's no guarantee paying someone a higher wage or creating a job will benefit the corporation that does it specifically. Ford could be reasonably sure that employees would want to buy cars and Costco has reason to be confident their employees will buy their groceries from them, but in general there's no guarantee that increasing wages will have a return because you are dumping money out into the general economy, where it could benefit anyone, including your rivals.
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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Taking money away from the rich that they don't need and "can't" use (1) doesn't harm them and (2) improves the economy.
    The arrogance of your statement is astounding.
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    That's like saying taking land away from a feudal lord and reassigning it to merchants and engineers is bad.

    Higher wages and more jobs draws people deeper into the economy, but "people" aren't something corporations can afford to invest in beyond the most practical degree because there's an uncertain return on the investment.

    That is, there's no guarantee paying someone a higher wage or creating a job will benefit the corporation that does it specifically. Ford could be reasonably sure that employees would want to buy cars and Costco has reason to be confident their employees will buy their groceries from them, but in general there's no guarantee that increasing wages will have a return because you are dumping money out into the general economy, where it could benefit anyone, including your rivals.
    I see, so directed wealth transfer is what you want? Is that what you are saying?
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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Why shouldn't business have to fun unemployment compensation through general taxes?

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