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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You also ignore the point that our government pressured them to keep wages low. So much for the "free market"
    Realism. The "free market" you so hate isn't just one country, it's a big damned world. Rising costs in one place effects other places. But YOU ignore that.
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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You also assume these companies have some obligation to stay if the price of labor goes up.
    In a "free market" neo-liberal context, no i do not. But my personal opinion says they should, they should do the morally right thing.


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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Realism. The "free market" you so hate isn't just one country, it's a big damned world. Rising costs in one place effects other places. But YOU ignore that.
    And you still dont say anything about our direct involvement in this, instead blame it on the "rest of the world"


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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    And you still dont say anything about our direct involvement in this, instead blame it on the "rest of the world"
    Waht, the state dept has a duty to see to the interest of US companies. If their cost go up, that hurts these businesses. HELLO, people in the US have stock in said companies, there is more here then then CEO's paycheck. Government's tend to work like that, for various reasons. Something few in this thread wish to address.
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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Waht, the state dept has a duty to see to the interest of US companies. If their cost go up, that hurts these businesses. HELLO, people in the US have stock in said companies, there is more here then then CEO's paycheck. Government's tend to work like that, for various reasons. Something few in this thread wish to address.
    Man. That doesnt sound like the free market conservatives usually uphold! But hey, thanks for proving my point that we are ran by corporations and that the US gov when it comes to foreign policy, really only cares about corporate interests!


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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Man. That doesnt sound like the free market conservatives usually uphold! But hey, thanks for proving my point that we are ran by corporations and that the US gov when it comes to foreign policy, really only cares about corporate interests!
    I never said that, nor implied that. You seem incapable of discussing this with any real grasp of the big picture. It's small "gotcha" and weak one liners with you.

    I'll try one last time, but this really isn't for your benefit you're a true believer...

    Governments, make decisions on what affects their country, businesses in their country and the people that rely on them push the issue. It's not "CORPERATIONS RULE LOL!" that's childish and if that's all you've got well... that's all you've got.

    An example:
    Justine Greening, Secretary of State for the Department for International Development (DFID), will set out her plans on Monday for removing barriers to trade and helping UK businesses join the 'push’ for development in selected countries.
    In a speech at the London Stock Exchange (LSE), Ms Greening will say that she wants to work across Government - bringing in the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills and the Foreign Office - and with business to drive economic growth in developing countries.
    As part of her speech, she will outline plans to undertake a piece of research with the CBI, the business lobby group, to understand what could help business export more successfully.
    Government leads exports push in developing countries - Telegraph

    Here is the UK Government pushing to help it's business in other countries.

    what you are doing is taking a situation where the US Government is acting to help US Business keep costs low to stay competative in a global market and turning it into some bizarre class warfare fight.

    Bizarre because this isn't unusual behavior, it's par of the course. You just see a political opening to claim the US Government is acting on behalf of "EVIL RICH" people to keep themselves rich and poor people poor. This is sadly common affection for those like you, who live in a fantasy world of class warfare and if only... the world would be better" It's quite disgusting really.
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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I never said that, nor implied that. You seem incapable of discussing this with any real grasp of the big picture. It's small "gotcha" and weak one liners with you.

    I'll try one last time, but this really isn't for your benefit you're a true believer...

    Governments, make decisions on what affects their country, businesses in their country and the people that rely on them push the issue. It's not "CORPERATIONS RULE LOL!" that's childish and if that's all you've got well... that's all you've got.

    An example:

    Government leads exports push in developing countries - Telegraph

    Here is the UK Government pushing to help it's business in other countries.

    what you are doing is taking a situation where the US Government is acting to help US Business keep costs low to stay competative in a global market and turning it into some bizarre class warfare fight.

    Bizarre because this isn't unusual behavior, it's par of the course. You just see a political opening to claim the US Government is acting on behalf of "EVIL RICH" people to keep themselves rich and poor people poor. This is sadly common affection for those like you, who live in a fantasy world of class warfare and if only... the world would be better" It's quite disgusting really.
    Quick check. The link you provided is about trade barriers. The original post is not about trade, since we already have trade relationships with Haiti. Its about the US government using services such as the state department to put pressure on the Haitian government. This was not some trade agreements, this was Hanes requesting a direct service from the State Department to put pressure on the Haitian government at their will and the US government followed Hanes' orders.


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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You never answered the question. Does this justify?
    It's not about justification, it's about how the free market works.
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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Yes, how the free market works in a moral cesspool of public policy.

    If you can live amidst injustice without anger, you might be immoral.

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    Re: WIKILEAKS: U.S. Fought To Lower Minimum Wage In Haiti So Hanes And Levis Would St

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    It's not about justification, it's about how the free market works.
    The "free market" requires governments to intervene to pressure other governments in keeping wages low for personal gain? ****... That doesnt sound free at all.. It sounds totalitarian..


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