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    Re: Nato alarm as woman minister urges Putin to invade her country

    I'd invade her country any day... Giggity

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    Re: Nato alarm as woman minister urges Putin to invade her country

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There are about 30 million+ reasons why Russia shouldn't be shaping the world scene. Study Russia's history and you'll see what I mean.
    While I agree that Russia should not be shaping the world scene, I would say that the same is true of the US. And there are good reasons why that is the case. We need to focus more on minding our own business and staying out of others affairs. We had no good reason to be so deeply involved in Ukraine in the first place. If that's anyone's business, it's more of a European affair. Let the Europeans worry about who is going to be in the EU.

    But having said that, we are in it now, at least with regards to Russia and Ukraine. And we have to let Putin and others know that there is a limit. I think the limited sanctions that were imposed were the proper, calibrated response to make. What everyone should do now, is calm down and let things cool off. Then down the road we should attempt to mend fences and get back to trying to work with Russia to create a more harmonious world.

    I thought about this. The Russians brought this upon themselves. Specifically Gorbachev was naive enough to believe in all that "new thinking" stuff. There is no new thinking. The old thinking is still in place. What is that old thinking? It can be summarized as follows:

    "Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."

    Hell, a Greek guy figured that out a long, long time ago. Ain't nothing changed since.

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    Re: Nato alarm as woman minister urges Putin to invade her country

    Putin has a hot wife, no need to get involved with another. But what the heck.

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    Re: Nato alarm as woman minister urges Putin to invade her country

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    While I agree that Russia should not be shaping the world scene, I would say that the same is true of the US. And there are good reasons why that is the case. We need to focus more on minding our own business and staying out of others affairs. We had no good reason to be so deeply involved in Ukraine in the first place. If that's anyone's business, it's more of a European affair. Let the Europeans worry about who is going to be in the EU.

    But having said that, we are in it now, at least with regards to Russia and Ukraine. And we have to let Putin and others know that there is a limit. I think the limited sanctions that were imposed were the proper, calibrated response to make. What everyone should do now, is calm down and let things cool off. Then down the road we should attempt to mend fences and get back to trying to work with Russia to create a more harmonious world.

    I thought about this. The Russians brought this upon themselves. Specifically Gorbachev was naive enough to believe in all that "new thinking" stuff. There is no new thinking. The old thinking is still in place. What is that old thinking? It can be summarized as follows:

    "Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."

    Hell, a Greek guy figured that out a long, long time ago. Ain't nothing changed since.
    If everyone minded their own business, you would be onto something. However, there are some really bad people in the world--Nazis, Communists, Jihadists--who aren't and we can't sit back and do nothing while they force their ideology on other countries.

    Had Hitler confinded National Socialism to Germany, WW2 would have never happened.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Nato alarm as woman minister urges Putin to invade her country

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If everyone minded their own business, you would be onto something. However, there are some really bad people in the world--Nazis, Communists, Jihadists--who aren't and we can't sit back and do nothing while they force their ideology on other countries.

    Had Hitler confinded National Socialism to Germany, WW2 would have never happened.
    The problem with this type of thinking is that where to you draw the line. One person's idea of what is bad is another person's idea of what is good. For example, do we invade a country to force it to give homosexuals equal rights? Do we invade a country to force it to stop teaching homosexuality in schools? That's the kind of stuff you get into. People have a tendency to get carried away with self righteous crusades in affairs that it would be better left to people of an area to sort out for themselves.
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    Re: Nato alarm as woman minister urges Putin to invade her country

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Putin has a hot wife, no need to get involved with another. But what the heck.
    Kennedy had a hot wife too......
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    Re: Nato alarm as woman minister urges Putin to invade her country

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The problem with this type of thinking is that where to you draw the line. One person's idea of what is bad is another person's idea of what is good. For example, do we invade a country to force it to give homosexuals equal rights? Do we invade a country to force it to stop teaching homosexuality in schools? That's the kind of stuff you get into. People have a tendency to get carried away with self righteous crusades in affairs that it would be better left to people of an area to sort out for themselves.
    Your response makes no sense.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Nato alarm as woman minister urges Putin to invade her country

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your response makes no sense.
    It makes sense because it means that calls to defend the world against "bad" guys need to be treated with care. To be more specific, there is a need to differentiate between "bad" as meaning dangerous in an objective sense, or "bad" as meaning a mere distaste for the behavior, psychological characteristics, and/or ideological leanings of someone else. For example, take Jean Bertrand Aristide of Haiti. Did the US oppose him because he was truly "bad" in the sense of posing an unusual degree of imminent threat to ourselves or others, or was he "bad" simply because of his ideological leanings? That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about.
    Last edited by MildSteel; 03-27-14 at 05:07 AM.

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    Re: Nato alarm as woman minister urges Putin to invade her country

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It makes sense because it means that calls to defend the world against "bad" guys need to be treated with care. To be more specific, there is a need to differentiate between "bad" as meaning dangerous in an objective sense, or "bad" as meaning a mere distaste for the behavior, psychological characteristics, and/or ideological leanings of someone else. For example, take Jean Bertrand Aristide of Haiti. Did the US oppose him because he was truly "bad" in the sense of posing an unusual degree of imminent threat to ourselves or others, or was he "bad" simply because of his ideological leanings? That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about.
    Well, National Socialism was bad and so is Communism. When an ideology appears to cause a threat to our way of life, he needs to be dealt with.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Nato alarm as woman minister urges Putin to invade her country

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, National Socialism was bad and so is Communism. When an ideology appears to cause a threat to our way of life, he needs to be dealt with.
    I realize you feel that way, but what you have just said directly contradicts the notion that people should have the freedom to make up their own minds. Unless an ideology is directly and explicitly advocating persons to engage in physical or psychological violence against others, people have a right to hear it and make up their minds for themselves. As far as I'm concerned, KKK ideology is bad. But that's what some believe and I'm not going to advocate terminating them for believing in it. Now if they start advocating and engaging in burning people's houses down and such activity, then's it's time to put a stop to it.

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