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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    I don't resort to special pleading. In Any Case, it is about Government by We the People. Any questions?
    Sure, is English your first language?
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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    If you are really a U.S Citizen, you will have a photo ID. It's not that much to ask for someone to provide one before they vote.
    A lot of non citizens also have valid photo IDs. Having a drivers license is not restricted to citizens.

    I've noticed that nobody wants to address that because it's not a talking point.


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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    But a photo ID is not proof of citizenship. Proof of identity perhaps (though there is such a thing as fake ID....). Proving your citizenship is an entirely different standard. You'd have to bring a birth certificate or naturalization papers and hope it's enough. All it takes is a skeptical election worker, and you don't vote ("Well Mr. Rodriguez, if that is your real name, while this piece of paper says you were born in California, it doesn't have a raised seal....").
    Voters are vetted in the registration process. All voting should require is a registration card and a picture ID proving that the person with the registration card is who he says he is. Using this system, there is no subjectivity on the part of poll workers. Prove you are eligible to vote, show who you are and vote.

    It would seem to me that people who oppose this believe the best system is to just go from polling place to polling place casting votes with impunity. I can't think of a worse thing to happen in a democracy dependent on the rule of law.
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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    A lot of non citizens also have valid photo IDs. Having a drivers license is not restricted to citizens.

    I've noticed that nobody wants to address that because it's not a talking point.
    The solution to that problem is simple. It's an administrative fix. When the Bureau of Driving Licensing examines your documents and notices that you are not a citizen, they simply issue you a Non-Citizen Driver's License.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The solution to that problem is simple. It's an administrative fix. When the Bureau of Driving Licensing examines your documents and notices that you are not a citizen, they simply issue you a Non-Citizen Driver's License.
    Sure, but they'll have to go back and re-issue everyone's DL for that reason only. That's fine if that's what they do, but that's going to cost a few dollars.


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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Voters are vetted in the registration process. All voting should require is a registration card and a picture ID proving that the person with the registration card is who he says he is. Using this system, there is no subjectivity on the part of poll workers. Prove you are eligible to vote, show who you are and vote.
    Which doesn't have anything to do with getting a photo ID. It's very easy for a legal alien to get a valid photo ID.

    It would seem to me that people who oppose this believe the best system is to just go from polling place to polling place casting votes with impunity. I can't think of a worse thing to happen in a democracy dependent on the rule of law.
    It seems to me that the people who like the ID requirement think it will fix everything that's wrong. Nobody wants to talk about how Republicans game the system. Which they do, I assure you.

    The ID requirement fixes one very small part of the election system. This is like having 4 flat tires and fixing the radio.


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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Sure, but they'll have to go back and re-issue everyone's DL for that reason only. That's fine if that's what they do, but that's going to cost a few dollars.
    There's also the immediate quick fix. DMV compiles a list of all non-citizen drivers and puts it into a database. Compare that database to the voter database. Any new registrations get checked against that database.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    It's not the fear of producing ID, it's the fear of not being able to vote 3 times and realizing that this spells doom for the Democrats.
    If we are being honest...I dont think they fear anything. I think it is just another excuse to be able to cry RACISM!!! JIM CROW!!! AUUUUUGHG!!!! OHMIGAWDWEREALLGONNADIE!!!

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    There's also the immediate quick fix. DMV compiles a list of all non-citizen drivers and puts it into a database. Compare that database to the voter database. Any new registrations get checked against that database.
    Assuming they have that information, which they may not if they weren't required to keep it.


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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Which doesn't have anything to do with getting a photo ID. It's very easy for a legal alien to get a valid photo ID.



    It seems to me that the people who like the ID requirement think it will fix everything that's wrong. Nobody wants to talk about how Republicans game the system. Which they do, I assure you.

    The ID requirement fixes one very small part of the election system. This is like having 4 flat tires and fixing the radio.
    Well, at least the radio works.

    Please tell me how you think voting should work. Do you think everyone should be able to vote regardless of their eligibility? Should we import thousands of people to vote in our elections from Pakistan or Belgium? Should we let everyone who wants to vote regardless of citizenship, or the status of their civil rights (felons), age (under 18)? It's really easy to be a critic. How should this work in your view? How should you prove you are eligible and how should you prove that you are who you say?
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury." Attributed to Alexander Tytler

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