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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because voting is the singular fundamental right in any form of democracy, and buying alcohol is not. Any measure to make voting harder should be met with extreme skepticism and scrutiny.

    When you do this with voter ID laws, you start to see the real motivation.
    If you are really a U.S Citizen, you will have a photo ID. It's not that much to ask for someone to provide one before they vote.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Correct.

    Yet, funny how some don't complain to show id for trivial items, but when it comes to voting, heck one should not have to prove they are who they say they are.
    Got it.

    Let me ask you. If you already have an id what is the issue to show it when you vote?
    Of course I have...so does/did everyone else that was registared lawfully to vote.

    Mine for 50+ years is called a Birth certificate. I used that all my life to prove whom I said I was...guess what? Everyone use to accept that a lawful ID.

    Not any more.


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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because voting is the singular fundamental right in any form of democracy, and buying alcohol is not. Any measure to make voting harder should be met with extreme skepticism and scrutiny.

    When you do this with voter ID laws, you start to see the real motivation.
    The 'fear' generated from voters having to produce an actual ID is amazing.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    If it is required for voting, it should be free, if necessary.
    I believe you will find most if not all of those states provide the free of charge. Dont worry though...there will I'm sure be some other ridiculous objection you can find.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Video @: [/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mr5t8K-uvQ

    Damnit This is going to open the door for voter suppression. Here in KS we have over 15,000 people having their right to vote held up by the Secretary of State now this is just going to spread. Essentially its trying to solve a problem, where there is no problem. Its being used as a political tool by the GOP.
    If you cant take the small effort required to get a photo id, you gave no business voting.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I believe you will find most if not all of those states provide the free of charge. Dont worry though...there will I'm sure be some other ridiculous objection you can find.
    The only problem I have is that it is the individual states mandating this change...not the electorate as a whole or even the federal government.

    The states should not impede in any way my constitutionlly protected right to vote...no more than the individual states should ever restrict a citizen's constituionally protected right to bear arms.


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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    The only problem I have is that it is the individual states mandating this change...not the electorate as a whole or even the federal government.

    The states should not impede in any way my constitutionlly protected right to vote...no more than the individual states should ever restrict a citizen's constituionally protected right to bear arms.
    The states arent impeding your constitutional right to vote. They are requiring you flash your ID card and show that you are in fact who you say you are in order to vote. They are impeding ANYONES right to walk up and claim they are some schmuck off the street, register on the spot, and caste a ballot. They are requiring that you identify that you ARE who in fact you say you are. And the absolute fact is that there isnt a soul in this country that is walking up to vote legally that should be even a little bit concerned about this legislation. The only people invested in preventing it are those invested in preserving the opportunity for fraud.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    The states should not impede in any way my constitutionlly protected right to vote...no more than the individual states should ever restrict a citizen's constituionally protected right to bear arms.
    Let's make a deal. The same process for both. Want to buy a gun? Show that you're a citizen. Next show that you're not a felon. Period. That's it. Nothing else. Same with voting. Do you have a restraining order from your ex-wife? No problem, you can still vote and buy a gun. Are you mentally ill? No problem, you can still vote and buy a gun.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The 'fear' generated from voters having to produce an actual ID is amazing.
    It's not the fear of producing ID, it's the fear of not being able to vote 3 times and realizing that this spells doom for the Democrats.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Let's make a deal. The same process for both. Want to buy a gun? Show that you're a citizen. Next show that you're not a felon. Period. That's it. Nothing else. Same with voting. Do you have a restraining order from your ex-wife? No problem, you can still vote and buy a gun. Are you mentally ill? No problem, you can still vote and buy a gun.

    I don't think there is a restriction on a lawful resident non-citizen to buy a firearm.

    The second amendment does not encompass the right to bear arms to a firearm purchase only. One can be in possesion of an arm and never have "purchased" it.

    I can purchase a constitutionally protected arm...Knunchucks, without ever showing any ID or purchasing any CC licence.


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