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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because voting is the singular fundamental right in any form of democracy, and buying alcohol is not. Any measure to make voting harder should be met with extreme skepticism and scrutiny.

    When you do this with voter ID laws, you start to see the real motivation.
    The fact that voting is more important than buying beer is good reason that the regulations that protect voting from fraud and make it honest be set at a higher standard yet available to all with minimum effort. A picture id and a social security number is not too much to ask.
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury." Attributed to Alexander Tytler

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Democracy is how we vote. Socialism is about the ownership of some of the means of production. I think you should use a dictionary prior to posting.
    I don't resort to special pleading. In Any Case, it is about Government by We the People. Any questions?

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    The fact that voting is more important than buying beer is good reason that the regulations that protect voting from fraud and make it honest be set at a higher standard yet available to all with minimum effort. A picture id and a social security number is not too much to ask.
    When are the several States going to issue driver's licenses or ID cards for free?

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because voting is the singular fundamental right in any form of democracy, and buying alcohol is not. Any measure to make voting harder should be met with extreme skepticism and scrutiny.

    When you do this with voter ID laws, you start to see the real motivation.
    From an organizational perspective: Because voting is the singular fundamental institution of a democracy, the integrity of the institution must be beyond reproach. Every reasonable measure to validate and protect such an institution must at least be considered, if not taken.

    From an individual perspective: Displaying a form of identification is no longer a challenging thing to do in today's society and does not make voting unreasonably difficult. We aren't living in the 1800's where validating a person's identification could take months; proving your own identity is no longer a task of great difficulty in today's society. It isn't like people are trying to institute mandatory anthropometric measurement and fingerprinting to validate a person's indentity.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Seems to me a photo id and a socialist security number would get someone registered and a photo id and registration card would be enough to prove that registered voters vote. They are low standards and anyone who cashes a check, or drives, or flies, or buys beer or applies for a job or government assistance can meet those minimum requirements.
    But a photo ID is not proof of citizenship. Proof of identity perhaps (though there is such a thing as fake ID....). Proving your citizenship is an entirely different standard. You'd have to bring a birth certificate or naturalization papers and hope it's enough. All it takes is a skeptical election worker, and you don't vote ("Well Mr. Rodriguez, if that is your real name, while this piece of paper says you were born in California, it doesn't have a raised seal....").


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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    When are the several States going to issue driver's licenses or ID cards for free?
    Most states offer free picture id's.
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury." Attributed to Alexander Tytler

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    When are the several States going to issue driver's licenses or ID cards for free?
    driving is privilege not a right.

    to offset the cost of issuing license, fees are charged....or would you prefer to have citizens taxes go up to pay those cost.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    driving is privilege not a right.

    to offset the cost of issuing license, fees are charged....or would you prefer to have citizens taxes go up to pay those cost.
    It is about voting, if they require a valid, State ID.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Yes, for the sake of Capitalism and lucre.


    Call it a compassionate act. They just want to make sure everyone that is entitled to vote has an ID card which will enable those same individuals to access available government services.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post


    Call it a compassionate act. They just want to make sure everyone that is entitled to vote has an ID card which will enable those same individuals to access available government services.
    If it is required for voting, it should be free, if necessary.

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