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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Yes, we have to show IDs for lucre based transactions. Is that what you want for the Socialism of our from of democracy?
    Not making the connection to showing an id to vote and Socialism.

    Then why have people register to vote. Just open the polls and let anyone vote.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Not making the connection to showing an id to vote and Socialism.

    Then why have people register to vote. Just open the polls and let anyone vote.
    Democracy is a form of Socialism, not for-profit Capitalism, ostensibly, in our republic.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Wouldn't the fact you note there are over 15,000 questioned registrations just in Kansas indicate that there actually is a problem? I can't imagine that it would be terribly hard to prove you're a citizen unless A) you're not a citizen or B) you're too lazy to acquire the proof if you don't already have it, in which case you're probably too lazy to know what you're voting for or about and simply being led to the polls by those who want to use your vote.
    : If those 15,000 registrations are dealt with in a timely manner, and no one legally allowed to vote is prevented from doing so, then what's the problem? There was a reason that those 15,000 people were targeted for questioning, and if they're legal, no problem. If not, they don't get to vote. The rules have to apply the same for everyone. That's not voter suppression - it's fairness.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Well, now what's proof of citizenship? You can have a driver license or photo ID without being a citizen.

    Do I need to carry a copy of a birth certificate in my pocket too? How will they know it's a true copy and not a doctored pdf (as was claimed about Obama's)? Proof of citizenship is a big step up from voter ID. Who determines valid proof of citizenship?
    Seems to me a photo id and a socialist security number would get someone registered and a photo id and registration card would be enough to prove that registered voters vote. They are low standards and anyone who cashes a check, or drives, or flies, or buys beer or applies for a job or government assistance can meet those minimum requirements.
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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    OMIGOSH!!!! Citizens have to have an ID card to vote (and buy cigarettes, alcohol, cash a check, use a credit card, fly on a commercial airline, sign up for available community services, etc). OH THE ****ING HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    OMIGOSH!!!! Citizens have to have an ID card to vote (and buy cigarettes, alcohol, cash a check, use a credit card, fly on a commercial airline, sign up for available community services, etc). OH THE ****ING HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Yes, for the sake of Capitalism and lucre.

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    I have never quite understand why it's okay for the government to force people to provide an ID when buying alcohol, buying cigarettes, buying medical marijuana, enrolling your children in public school, or buying over the counter medication but it's not okay to require an ID to vote.
    Because voting is the singular fundamental right in any form of democracy, and buying alcohol is not. Any measure to make voting harder should be met with extreme skepticism and scrutiny.

    When you do this with voter ID laws, you start to see the real motivation.
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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Democracy is a form of Socialism, not for-profit Capitalism, ostensibly, in our republic.
    Democracy is how we vote. Socialism is about the ownership of some of the means of production. I think you should use a dictionary prior to posting.
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury." Attributed to Alexander Tytler

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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : If those 15,000 registrations are dealt with in a timely manner, and no one legally allowed to vote is prevented from doing so, then what's the problem? There was a reason that those 15,000 people were targeted for questioning, and if they're legal, no problem. If not, they don't get to vote. The rules have to apply the same for everyone. That's not voter suppression - it's fairness.

    Greetings, CJ.
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    Re: Kansas and Arizona win voter proof-of-citizenship ruling

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Because voting is the singular fundamental right in any form of democracy, and buying alcohol is not. Any measure to make voting harder should be met with extreme skepticism and scrutiny.

    When you do this with voter ID laws, you start to see the real motivation.
    You're partially correct - voting is perhaps the singular fundemental right of "every citizen" in any form of democracy. Surely, in order that the state/republic doesn't abuse or devalue this fundemental right of citizenship you hold, you should demand that only citizens exercise that fundemental right - correct?
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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