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    Re: Rush Limbaugh selection in children’s book competition causes a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I don't care who tries to hijack the word. Like I said elsewhere, I've been liberal all my life and come from a long line of liberals and I don't need anyone to tell me what I believe.
    I keep hearing all this crap about big government and taxation and gun control and all I can say is those people don't know what liberal means, on either side of the issue. I believe that government is never to be trusted, that laws and taxes are easy so we have way too much of both, that government will always follow the money and that conservatives stand for government control and mega-corporations and obedience to authority. That's what makes me a liberal- I know who hasn't got my interests at heart.
    Looks to me like some who call themselves conservative don't know what that word means. They're liberal on a lot of issues, but they've convinced themselves that the word liberal means just about the opposite of what it really does.
    Like I said, I dont think you understand the difference.

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    Re: Rush Limbaugh selection in children’s book competition causes a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Like I said, I dont think you understand the difference.
    No, you don't understand that there is no difference.
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    Re: Rush Limbaugh selection in children’s book competition causes a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    No, you don't understand that there is no difference.
    Actually, you dont understand that there IS a difference. There is ample reading on wikipedia to provide you with insight. You could learn something tonight if you really wanted to.

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    Re: Rush Limbaugh selection in children’s book competition causes a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Actually, you dont understand that there IS a difference. There is ample reading on wikipedia to provide you with insight. You could learn something tonight if you really wanted to.
    I looked up 'classical liberal' and 'liberal' on Wikipedia and they say pretty much the same thing.
    From 'Classical Liberalism...
    "Classical liberalism is a political philosophy and ideology belonging to liberalism in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government. The philosophy emerged as a response to the Industrial Revolution and urbanization in the 19th century in Europe and the United States.[1] It advocates civil liberties with a limited government under the rule of law, private property, and belief in laissez-faire economic liberalism."
    From 'Liberalism'...
    "Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property."
    I don't see enough difference there to quibble over. Each one should adopt one thing from the other.
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    Re: Rush Limbaugh selection in children’s book competition causes a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I looked up 'classical liberal' and 'liberal' on Wikipedia and they say pretty much the same thing.
    From 'Classical Liberalism...
    "Classical liberalism is a political philosophy and ideology belonging to liberalism in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government. The philosophy emerged as a response to the Industrial Revolution and urbanization in the 19th century in Europe and the United States.[1] It advocates civil liberties with a limited government under the rule of law, private property, and belief in laissez-faire economic liberalism."
    From 'Liberalism'...
    "Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property."
    I don't see enough difference there to quibble over. Each one should adopt one thing from the other.
    Modern American liberals are statists, plain and simple.

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    Re: Rush Limbaugh selection in children’s book competition causes a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Modern American liberals are statists, plain and simple.
    Tell ya what, you don't owe a dime to whoever taught you to say that.
    Something else, modern American conservatives would make William F Buckley, Jr. cringe and shake his head. Whining, foot-stamping, finger-pointing, name-calling, that's always where it starts and where it ends with you lot.
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    Re: Rush Limbaugh selection in children’s book competition causes a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I looked up 'classical liberal' and 'liberal' on Wikipedia and they say pretty much the same thing.
    From 'Classical Liberalism...
    "Classical liberalism is a political philosophy and ideology belonging to liberalism in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government. The philosophy emerged as a response to the Industrial Revolution and urbanization in the 19th century in Europe and the United States.[1] It advocates civil liberties with a limited government under the rule of law, private property, and belief in laissez-faire economic liberalism."
    From 'Liberalism'...
    "Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property."
    I don't see enough difference there to quibble over. Each one should adopt one thing from the other.
    I'd concentrate on what means are used to move toward what ends. Both change depending on the subject matter.

    Classical liberals tended view government a great deal more suspiciously in the areas where modern liberals do not now, and vice versa.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: Rush Limbaugh selection in children’s book competition causes a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I looked up 'classical liberal' and 'liberal' on Wikipedia and they say pretty much the same thing.
    From 'Classical Liberalism...
    "Classical liberalism is a political philosophy and ideology belonging to liberalism in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government. The philosophy emerged as a response to the Industrial Revolution and urbanization in the 19th century in Europe and the United States.[1] It advocates civil liberties with a limited government under the rule of law, private property, and belief in laissez-faire economic liberalism."
    From 'Liberalism'...
    "Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property."
    I don't see enough difference there to quibble over. Each one should adopt one thing from the other.
    If that definition were true then liberals would have uniformly opposed Obamacare, preferring an individual tax-funded health savings plan instead. Since liberals consistently support infringements on freedom and liberty, that definition cannot be accurate.
    Last edited by Jerry; 03-22-14 at 05:27 AM.

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    Re: Rush Limbaugh selection in children’s book competition causes a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If that definition were true then liberals would have uniformly opposed Obamacare, preferring an individual tax-funded health savings plan instead. Since liberals consistently support infringements on freedom and liberty, that definition cannot be accurate.
    Checkmate.

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    Re: Rush Limbaugh selection in children’s book competition causes a stir

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I'd concentrate on what means are used to move toward what ends. Both change depending on the subject matter.

    Classical liberals tended view government a great deal more suspiciously in the areas where modern liberals do not now, and vice versa.
    This seems reasonable. The Founders would cringe at the though to using the govt to be a means of social change, intrusion "for our own good" etc.

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