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Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

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Obama rules out Military excursions into the Ukraine. This doesn't mean he wont send our Military to participate in exercises in and around the Ukraine. Does any think Diplomacy will work in this situation with Russia. Obama vows to bring more Sanctions. Thinking this will make it hurt economically. What do you think this message means to Putin and Russia? What say ye?



President Barack Obama ruled out U.S. military involvement in Ukraine on Wednesday, emphasizing diplomacy in the U.S. standoff with Russia over Crimea.

"We are not going to be getting into a military excursion in Ukraine," Obama told KNSD, San Diego's NBC affiliate, in an interview.

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"We need do not need to trigger an actual war with Russia," he told KSDK, a St. Louis station owned by Gannett in a separate interview.

Obama, who imposed sanctions on 11 Russian and Ukrainian officials on Monday, said the United States will push diplomatic efforts to bring pressure on Russia to loosen its grip on the Crimea region of southern Ukraine.

"There is a better path, but I think even the Ukrainians would acknowledge that for us to engage Russia militarily would not be appropriate and would not be good for Ukraine either," Obama told KNSD......snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-rules-m...;_ylg=X3oDMTBhYWM1a2sxBGxhbmcDZW4tVVM-;_ylv=3
 
I dont think we should go to war with Russia. Even thought it is Obama and everything he does in wrong, even the right doesnt beleive a war with Russia is a good idea. Do they?
 
Obama rules out Military excursions into the Ukraine. This doesn't mean he wont send our Military to participate in exercises in and around the Ukraine. Does any think Diplomacy will work in this situation with Russia. Obama vows to bring more Sanctions. Thinking this will make it hurt economically. What do you think this message means to Putin and Russia? What say ye?



President Barack Obama ruled out U.S. military involvement in Ukraine on Wednesday, emphasizing diplomacy in the U.S. standoff with Russia over Crimea.

"We are not going to be getting into a military excursion in Ukraine," Obama told KNSD, San Diego's NBC affiliate, in an interview.

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"We need do not need to trigger an actual war with Russia," he told KSDK, a St. Louis station owned by Gannett in a separate interview.

Obama, who imposed sanctions on 11 Russian and Ukrainian officials on Monday, said the United States will push diplomatic efforts to bring pressure on Russia to loosen its grip on the Crimea region of southern Ukraine.

"There is a better path, but I think even the Ukrainians would acknowledge that for us to engage Russia militarily would not be appropriate and would not be good for Ukraine either," Obama told KNSD......snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-rules-m...;_ylg=X3oDMTBhYWM1a2sxBGxhbmcDZW4tVVM-;_ylv=3

I'm with Obama on this one - this is a far superior strategy to creating red lines and then when they're crossed skipping back a few paces and declaring a new red line. Much better to forget about red lines and declare defeat right from day one.

More interesting will be to see Obama's posture should Russian advancement threaten the sovereignty of NATO members.
 
Why would anyone think we should get involved militarily?
 
I'm with Obama on this one - this is a far superior strategy to creating red lines and then when they're crossed skipping back a few paces and declaring a new red line. Much better to forget about red lines and declare defeat right from day one.

More interesting will be to see Obama's posture should Russian advancement threaten the sovereignty of NATO members.


Mornin' CJ. :2wave: Yeah I agree in order for the Diplomacy to work they will have to stop threatening or as you say drawing lines in the sand. Btw did ya see the Thread I threw up with Putin now being concerned about Estonian Speaking Russians in Estonia. That was their response to Samantha Powers in the UN getting up and walking out on them.
 
I dont think we should go to war with Russia. Even thought it is Obama and everything he does in wrong, even the right doesnt beleive a war with Russia is a good idea. Do they?
I always find it amusing to watch Republicans talk about how badly Obama is handling it...and then saying they wouldn't do anything substantially different.

The world of sound bites can be a sad sad place sometimes.
 
I dont think we should go to war with Russia. Even thought it is Obama and everything he does in wrong, even the right doesnt beleive a war with Russia is a good idea. Do they?

I'm with Obama on this one - this is a far superior strategy to creating red lines and then when they're crossed skipping back a few paces and declaring a new red line. Much better to forget about red lines and declare defeat right from day one.

More interesting will be to see Obama's posture should Russian advancement threaten the sovereignty of NATO members.

Apparently they do think that, mak
 
I dont think we should go to war with Russia. Even thought it is Obama and everything he does in wrong, even the right doesnt beleive a war with Russia is a good idea. Do they?

Yeah Mak.....I think he is Right on this one and not going to war with Russia. Yeah most of the Right is against going to war with Russia. Can't speak for the Neo Cons tho.

So now that we are past the basics of War 101 and the 2 Powers that be getting into it. That leaves Diplomacy.....which again do you think this will work with Putin and Russia? Do you think that the more harder economic sanctions that actually can do something. That Obama will pull that trigger? Are you even aware of what those Sanctions would be and what the ramifications are?

Or are you just quibbling about How All the bad people are just out to and have it in for Obama and that you need to show that support even if......that's even if he makes the worst mistakes possible. That even if he lied directly to your face. You would smile and like that.....huh? Shrug ya shoulders and tell him how he is such a likable guy, huh? :lol:
 
I dont think we should go to war with Russia. Even thought it is Obama and everything he does in wrong, even the right doesnt beleive a war with Russia is a good idea. Do they?

Of course it's not a good idea, but, you don't tell the Russians that military force is, flat out, not an option. That's going to encourage then.
 
Obama rules out Military excursions into the Ukraine. This doesn't mean he wont send our Military to participate in exercises in and around the Ukraine. Does any think Diplomacy will work in this situation with Russia. Obama vows to bring more Sanctions. Thinking this will make it hurt economically. What do you think this message means to Putin and Russia? What say ye?



President Barack Obama ruled out U.S. military involvement in Ukraine on Wednesday, emphasizing diplomacy in the U.S. standoff with Russia over Crimea.

"We are not going to be getting into a military excursion in Ukraine," Obama told KNSD, San Diego's NBC affiliate, in an interview.

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"We need do not need to trigger an actual war with Russia," he told KSDK, a St. Louis station owned by Gannett in a separate interview.

Obama, who imposed sanctions on 11 Russian and Ukrainian officials on Monday, said the United States will push diplomatic efforts to bring pressure on Russia to loosen its grip on the Crimea region of southern Ukraine.

"There is a better path, but I think even the Ukrainians would acknowledge that for us to engage Russia militarily would not be appropriate and would not be good for Ukraine either," Obama told KNSD......snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-rules-m...;_ylg=X3oDMTBhYWM1a2sxBGxhbmcDZW4tVVM-;_ylv=3


Of course he's right ... along those lines I'm surprised every mom & pop store doesn't post a sign that says ...

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Until the EU steps up, we should primarily make smarmy comments about Russia taking over former USSR countries and otherwise, ignore it.

EDIT: Just to be clear, Obama has my full support on this one. 1 attaboy to Barack.
 
Of course it's not a good idea, but, you don't tell the Russians that military force is, flat out, not an option. That's going to encourage then.

So what? It's not our business.
 
More interesting will be to see Obama's posture should Russian advancement threaten the sovereignty of NATO members.

Nothing!...lol! I can't help but wonder if Obama isn't being complicit with Putin.
 
So what? It's not our business.

But, by the time it is our business, it could be a scenario where hundreds of thousands of people could die.

Why not attempt to bluff Putin into backing down, before it gets to that point?

It wasn't any of our business in the 1930's and 400,000 Americans died. Why would we knowingly go down that path, again?
 
Until the EU steps up, we should primarily make smarmy comments about Russia taking over former USSR countries and otherwise, ignore it.

EDIT: Just to be clear, Obama has my full support on this one. 1 attaboy to Barack.


Heya Ockham :2wave: .....the EU is stepping up Merkel has Spoken and even now has crushed a trade deal with the Russians. Course that littlke wording by the Russians about Estonia has quite a few concerned, even more.


Now as we know how some think those sanctions against Putins people and theirs against ours are significant actions and Imply our intentions and all. Do you think Putins Propaganda Machine is going full tilt in the areas of the planet that have not weighed in on the matter in the UN?
 
But, by the time it is our business, it could be a scenario where hundreds of thousands of people could die.

Why not attempt to bluff Putin into backing down, before it gets to that point?

It wasn't any of our business in the 1930's and 400,000 Americans died. Why would we knowingly go down that path, again?

NATO exists now.
 
The most important thing for the President to do is to assure him that we concede that his military won another military victory. Assuring Putin he won't touch any of Putin's money apparently wasn't enough graveling at Russia's feet.

To leave no doubt, it would wisest to fly a white flag over the White House. Probably Obama should go on another apology and bowing world tour to assure everyone we are no threat to anyone. :roll:
 
In Obama's opinion, it is critical to give Russia advance notice of all our military and foreign policy actions.

Why doesn't he invite Russia to having a seat at the NSA, a staff position on the Joint Chief's of Staff and a wing of the Pentagon too?

Obama had zero leadership experience in any leadership position for any domestic matter and not one second of any foreign or military policy prior to becoming President.

I am confident that any grunt in basic training understands you never advise foreign military commanders what you may or may not be planning to do as contingencies. Setting aside ALL partisan issues entirely, President Obama is proving to be the most incompetent president this country ever had.

America has had great presidents and piss poor presidents, but never one as incompetent - nor as laughed at worldwide. He literally is becoming a national and International laughing stock. The world's #1 clown.

He may have lofty ideals, but I doubt he could assemble a child's bicycle. Doing anything actually tangible appears beyond his capabilities. I'm NOT gloating, this is tragic. I am literally coming to feel pity for him. I believe he would like to do the right thing -I really do - but he has NO clue what to do.

Why doesn't he turn it over to Biden to be our national spokesman in this? At least Biden knows how to shake his fist and sneer.

And then there is Kerry? He should be on Kremlin payroll.
 
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Heya Ockham :2wave: .....the EU is stepping up Merkel has Spoken and even now has crushed a trade deal with the Russians. Course that littlke wording by the Russians about Estonia has quite a few concerned, even more.


Now as we know how some think those sanctions against Putins people and theirs against ours are significant actions and Imply our intentions and all. Do you think Putins Propaganda Machine is going full tilt in the areas of the planet that have not weighed in on the matter in the UN?

We'll see. Germany doesn't have the cash to really do much on it's own, it's either the EU nations comes together and the UK and US can back them up or nothing happens. Right now Germany is the primary leg holding up the chair that is the EU, economically anyway.
 
But, by the time it is our business, it could be a scenario where hundreds of thousands of people could die.

Why not attempt to bluff Putin into backing down, before it gets to that point?

It wasn't any of our business in the 1930's and 400,000 Americans died. Why would we knowingly go down that path, again?

Bluff a willingness to start WWIII? That seems a bit extreme and not very credible.
 
Of course he's right ... along those lines I'm surprised every mom & pop store doesn't post a sign that says ...



Mornin' Bubba. :2wave: It would appear Hillary agrees with him to. She gave a Speech yesterday on the matter. Even though she warned of Russian Aggression. She advocates a Two Pronged Approach. Naturally this calls for Financial and Technical Assistance?

What do you think that term Technical Assistance Entails? Do you think we should give the Ukrainians anymore money that what BO offered, and do you think we should be giving them any of our tech?



Clinton warns of further Russian aggression.....


Other countries near Russia could also face aggression if President Vladimir Putin is allowed to get away with his actions in Ukraine, former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Tuesday.

Clinton, a potential 2016 presidential contender, called Russia's move to annex Crimea illegal and a violation of international law.

"If he's allowed to get away with that, I think you'll see a lot of other countries either directly facing Russian aggression or suborned with their political systems so that they are so intimidated that in effect they are transformed into vassals, not sovereign democracies," Clinton said at an event hosted by the Board of Trade of Metropolitan Montreal at the Palais des Congres.

In response to a question about Ukraine, Clinton advocated a "two-track" approach toward resolving the crisis that included economic incentives and "standing up for our values."

Along with sanctions against Russia, Clinton argued for increased financial and technical support for a democratic government in Kiev.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-warns...n-010101596.html;_ylt=AwrSyCPUGipTiTMAbCH_wgt.
 
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Bluff a willingness to start WWIII? That seems a bit extreme and not very credible.

And assuring the Russians that no matter what they do, we're not going to lift a finger?

That's been done in the past and millions of people died as a result.
 
Obama rules out Military excursions into the Ukraine. This doesn't mean he wont send our Military to participate in exercises in and around the Ukraine. Does any think Diplomacy will work in this situation with Russia. Obama vows to bring more Sanctions. Thinking this will make it hurt economically. What do you think this message means to Putin and Russia? What say ye?



President Barack Obama ruled out U.S. military involvement in Ukraine on Wednesday, emphasizing diplomacy in the U.S. standoff with Russia over Crimea.

"We are not going to be getting into a military excursion in Ukraine," Obama told KNSD, San Diego's NBC affiliate, in an interview.

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"We need do not need to trigger an actual war with Russia," he told KSDK, a St. Louis station owned by Gannett in a separate interview.

Obama, who imposed sanctions on 11 Russian and Ukrainian officials on Monday, said the United States will push diplomatic efforts to bring pressure on Russia to loosen its grip on the Crimea region of southern Ukraine.

"There is a better path, but I think even the Ukrainians would acknowledge that for us to engage Russia militarily would not be appropriate and would not be good for Ukraine either," Obama told KNSD......snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-rules-m...;_ylg=X3oDMTBhYWM1a2sxBGxhbmcDZW4tVVM-;_ylv=3

Smart move, we don't need to be triggering an actual war with Russia.
 
What's your point? Expand, please?

NATO exists to ensure that the actions that led to WWII don't happen again.
 
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