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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And no matter how god or bad an idea, libertarians will be adamantly opposed.
    That depends on the idea, not on the party that proposed it.

    If it supports liberty, it is good.
    If it doesn't, it's bad.

    Quite simple, really.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That depends on the idea, not on the party that proposed it.

    If it supports liberty, it is good.
    If it doesn't, it's bad.

    Quite simple, really.
    Actually, seems to me it's even a little more simple - if it supports liberty for the individual libertarian, it's good - if not, it's irrelevant and thus bad. Supporting liberty for others, such as those in Ukraine at the moment, is not so good. Basically, inside the borders of the libertarian's domain is the only area of relevance. The crown prince of libertarians, Ron Paul, made that pretty clear.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The fear of the left is crippling and cowardice. Incompetent foreign policy.

    For decades, the USA did tit-for-tat with the USSR during the Cold War, when the USSR was 3 times the power Russia is. But the left constantly keeps shouting "OMG WWIII!" in pure cowardice and incompetence.

    This is the definition of stupidity. Nuclear weapons are irrelevancies between the USA and Russia (which is again becoming the USSR for the White House flying the white flag of surrender.) Any threat of nuclear weapons by Russia is Russia holding a gun to its own head demanding to give them what they want or they will commit suicide. They know it. We know it.

    Talk of WWIII with Russia is absurd.

    If either Putin or Obama gave the command to launch a pre-emptive nuclear attack all we would ever know is a news report that the one of them who did so had died in a freak accident or sudden heart attack. Neither the TRUE leadership of the USA or USSR would allow this to happen, nor would we ever know there was the attempt.
    So you think that marching our troops into the Ukraine would not be a dangerous and stupid thing? Short of that lunacy, what more can Obama do than he has already done? Be specific.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So you think that marching our troops into the Ukraine would not be a dangerous and stupid thing? Short of that lunacy, what more can Obama do than he has already done? Be specific.
    Nothing! He can do nothing! He's totally useless!
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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Actually, seems to me it's even a little more simple - if it supports liberty for the individual libertarian, it's good - if not, it's irrelevant and thus bad. Supporting liberty for others, such as those in Ukraine at the moment, is not so good. Basically, inside the borders of the libertarian's domain is the only area of relevance. The crown prince of libertarians, Ron Paul, made that pretty clear.
    Trying to support liberty for foreign nations by military force doesn't have a great track record over all.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Nothing! He can do nothing! He's totally useless!
    So as our President, he is doing all that the USA can logically do. Thanks for the vote of support. At last some on the right are realizing their foolishness.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Trying to support liberty for foreign nations by military force doesn't have a great track record over all.
    That's fair enough - if they don't ask for it - but if they do ask, usually it's pretty successful. I'm pretty sure supporting liberty in most of Europe during the two world wars was pretty successful. I think supporting liberty in South Korea was pretty successful. I think supporting liberty in Kuwait during Desert Storm was pretty successful. I could go on, but you get the point.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So as our President, he is doing all that the USA can logically do. Thanks for the vote of support. At last some on the right are realizing their foolishness.
    Yeah, finally someone from the left got to Durbin and told him to quit flapping his Big mouth around. Imagine that coming from his own buddies and Boss. Never saw that one coming.....huh?

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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm with Obama on this one - this is a far superior strategy to creating red lines and then when they're crossed skipping back a few paces and declaring a new red line. Much better to forget about red lines and declare defeat right from day one.

    More interesting will be to see Obama's posture should Russian advancement threaten the sovereignty of NATO members.


    He seems to be learning that you can't play the same game internationally you do with your "enemies" domestic.

    Besides what option does he have? NATO has ruled it out, none of the individual countries want any part of it and there is no way Americans will support yet another war under the leadership of a man with a Peace prize who has never ruled nor ever will in peacetime.
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