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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I dont think we should go to war with Russia. Even thought it is Obama and everything he does in wrong, even the right doesnt beleive a war with Russia is a good idea. Do they?

    Only a crazy person would want war with Russia. The thing to ask ourselves, though, is whether Putin is crazy enough to want war with us? Probably not, but there is a disturbing surge of nationalism going on there now, so who knows for sure. I think if you see him go into eastern Ukraine, you can assume that he is a man that doesn't care much to be peaceful.

    I do think Obama is acting in the right way. Beats me why he would say that military action is off the table in public, though. That's like showing your opponent that you only have a pair of twos when they have two pair before you've placed a bet. I also would have liked to see a more rapid and expansive approach to sanctions. Admittedly, the hesitation of the EU might be a factor in coordinating that kind of response quickly though. I get the impression based on our response so far that this administration hasn't yet embraced what I believe to be a naked fact, which is that Russia is playing hardball for keeps as it attempts to re-establish it's dominance over former satellite states, it isn't far from discarding it's facade of democracy, and won't stop short of brinksmanship.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    If Obama made a military threat against Russia most people here would be jumping all over him for not having enough spine to follow through, if he doesn't make a military threat then he's just weak.

    He's simply stating the obvious, Russia knows they aren't about to enter a war with the US and pretending that we may actually use military force would be just plain silly.

    Economics and diplomacy is whats going to beat back Russia, not military threats.
    Did economics and diplomacy beat back the Japanese?
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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    what use is russia military if its economy is broken?
    The same use that is now
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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yoi believe Obama is acting logical?
    Very much so. He is applying pressure to Putin in the only logical way possible. You cannot possibly do any better.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Other than the USA, NATO is a bunch of wimps. "NATO" means the USA acting - after obtaining the other country's permission. But for nuclear weapons, even the greatly reduced Russian military could run over Europe faster than Germany did. Only the USA could defeat Russia in a conventional war.
    And that's why we have nuclear weapons so stupid **** like that will never happen again. Retro is cool but not when it comes to war.
    How many wars do we have to lose before we realize they are futile and out of date?

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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Only a crazy person would want war with Russia. The thing to ask ourselves, though, is whether Putin is crazy enough to want war with us? Probably not, but there is a disturbing surge of nationalism going on there now, so who knows for sure. I think if you see him go into eastern Ukraine, you can assume that he is a man that doesn't care much to be peaceful.

    I do think Obama is acting in the right way. Beats me why he would say that military action is off the table in public, though. That's like showing your opponent that you only have a pair of twos when they have two pair before you've placed a bet. I also would have liked to see a more rapid and expansive approach to sanctions. Admittedly, the hesitation of the EU might be a factor in coordinating that kind of response quickly though. I get the impression based on our response so far that this administration hasn't yet embraced what I believe to be a naked fact, which is that Russia is playing hardball for keeps as it attempts to re-establish it's dominance over former satellite states, it isn't far from discarding it's facade of democracy, and won't stop short of brinksmanship.
    Obama has the launch codes with him where ever he goes. That option is never off the table and Putin knows it. The EU needs to step up if tougher sanctions are required but it takes time for that "union" to truly act as one. I am confident they will do what's right in the end though.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Fair enough - but then you're Canadian and as a result a much more pragmatic libertarian.

    It would appear to me that the so-called 'libertarian' ideal in the US has been hijacked by the social democrats, or "progressives". What we in Canada call Nothing Doing Politically, the tired old coalition of feminists, environmentalists, and a cadre of other 'ists', the poverty pimps and academics who have to figure out how to be poverty pimps.

    That is not libertarianism but an academic exercise, a kind of grotesque political correctness that can somehow protect individual freedoms by creating a massively impossible long gun registry when the real problem was detecting and treating personality disorders; Canadian gun owners are the most responsible in the world, the "solution" has already been found, safe rooms, trigger guards, licensing to the point we have less gun related deaths per capita than Singapore.

    The libertarian will always err to freedoms; both progressives and conservatives see problems within everything and try to legislate against them, progressives want to change people by banning the sale of "harmful" things like bottled water, conservatives want to make it impossible for anyone to access the social safety net in case someone might try to cheat it.

    The libertarian says STFU and let people drink whatever water they want, pay the ****ing money, and if you make it so damn hard to access the social safety net, then pay the money for advocates, which is the end result of what Harper has now foisted on this country, the more costly solution. But, that has nothing to do with conservatism, but an ideologically exhausted government sensing a sea change and appealing to its base with optics instead of the common sense Harper gave us eight years ago.
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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Obama has the launch codes with him where ever he goes. That option is never off the table and Putin knows it. The EU needs to step up if tougher sanctions are required but it takes time for that "union" to truly act as one. I am confident they will do what's right in the end though.

    LOL...


    Nuke option...no over reaction there....
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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

    Gee, I wonder why.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: Obama Rules Out 'military excursion' in Ukraine.....

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    Of course he's right ... along those lines I'm surprised every mom & pop store doesn't post a sign that says ...

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