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    Ukraine far right Svoboda attack TV chief and force to resign

    Far right Svoboda thugs and pro-Ukraine politician storm office of TV chief and beat him over the head and forced him to write his own resignation because the state owned TV station broadcast Putin's speech on Crimea seccession.

    The irony is, the politician sits on the Freedom of Speech Parliamentary Committee......

    This is the shocking moment a TV chief in Ukraine was assaulted and forced to sign a resignation letter by far-right politicians who broke into his office.

    A chaotic video shows Oleksandr Panteleymonov, who led the Ukrainian state TV company, being shouted at and beaten over the head until he gives into the attackers' demands and writes the letter.

    The men from the Svoboda party were angered after a ceremony was broadcast from the Kremlin on Tuesday showing Vladimir Putin signing a bill to make Ukraine's Crimea region part of Russia......see video.....
    Read more: 'Sit down, you animal': Angry far-right politicians attack Ukraine TV chief | Mail Online


    US better be very careful who they support in Ukraine....or it will look like they're supporting far right nationalists and play right into Putin's hands which would make him look like the real defender of freedom and democracy.

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    Yep, this is the problem with supporting coups upon a democratically elected government. Never know if the replacements might be much worse, as is the case already in Iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Yep, this is the problem with supporting coups upon a democratically elected government. Never know if the replacements might be much worse, as is the case already in Iraq.
    It's funny that this was available for discussion before when all the riots were going on, and was mentioned in many threads, but it didn't seem to matter to many. It will get much worse there, and the West will hold there hands up, guffaw, and said, "We didn't know anything about this. How could it happen?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SayMyName View Post
    It's funny that this was available for discussion before when all the riots were going on, and was mentioned in many threads, but it didn't seem to matter to many. It will get much worse there, and the West will hold there hands up, guffaw, and said, "We didn't know anything about this. How could it happen?"
    Oh but a democratically elected government chose to turn away from "western values" and embrace Russia, HORRORS, as if Russia was our enemy which it wasn't, but I guess it is now. Judging by the way we treat other democratically elected presidents that don't suckle at the cock of western and american oligarchy, I'm not surprised. Somehow we have this bizarre idea that if only we help the protesting masses, we'll come to find the are all hungry for the capitalist, oligarchic, psuedo-freedoms we are collapsing under.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Oh but a democratically elected government chose to turn away from "western values" and embrace Russia, HORRORS, as if Russia was our enemy which it wasn't, but I guess it is now. Judging by the way we treat other democratically elected presidents that don't suckle at the cock of western and american oligarchy, I'm not surprised. Somehow we have this bizarre idea that if only we help the protesting masses, we'll come to find the are all hungry for the capitalist, oligarchic, psuedo-freedoms we are collapsing under.
    I don't think you have a complete understanding on what was happening there.
    Yanukovych, under his watch, had over 37bil dollars "misplaced", by which I mean stolen, by him and his cronies. The total economy of Ukraine is around 170-180bil dollars. Ok? And then, he accepted a 15bil $ bribe from Russia to turn down the treaty for trade with the EU. That's not him going to Russia, that's him being bought by Russia and selling out his country.

    Secondly, he got elected due to massive fraud and there are numerous other inconsistencies. If such an election, as the one in 2010, would happen in any western country, you'd be outraged. It'll be unacceptable as a democratic standard. So you saying he was "elected democraticaly" is a slap in the face to anything that is fair and democratic elections because if it had happened in your country, you'd be pulling out your pitchfork.

    I'm sorry, I don't see how that is something desirable in an elected representative. So of course the people rioted against that and he got deposed.
    The first thing the interim govt did is set elections in may. that's not the action of a corrupt administration.

    Svoboda is a ukrainian nationalist group and is now part of the administration, yes, but they're a very minor partner. This make-shift alliance of convenience for the interim govt has to hold until election day in Ukraine or else the country will be plunged into chaos again. It's not an optimum scenario but the alternative is to put power back in the hands of the people who supported Yanukovych, of the former ruling regime. Maybe have a few dozen more ukrainian killed by snipers in the streets.

    This is the real world. Political crises have consequences especially in less developed nations that are trying to escape the scars of communism.

    If you don't understand that world, as clearly many don't, don't be a wise-ass. I think this isn't the first time I'm telling you about how the 2010 election went down in Ukraine and why stating the things you do is bollocks. And this isn't me making **** up, it's what actually happened. Look it up, ukraine 2010 elections.

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    Yeah Fallen showed this video in another thread. Now that the rest of Ukraine is with EU and USA a lot of taming may be required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I don't think you have a complete understanding on what was happening there.
    Yanukovych, under his watch, had over 37bil dollars "misplaced", by which I mean stolen, by him and his cronies. The total economy of Ukraine is around 170-180bil dollars. Ok? And then, he accepted a 15bil $ bribe from Russia to turn down the treaty for trade with the EU. That's not him going to Russia, that's him being bought by Russia and selling out his country.

    Secondly, he got elected due to massive fraud and there are numerous other inconsistencies. If such an election, as the one in 2010, would happen in any western country, you'd be outraged. It'll be unacceptable as a democratic standard. So you saying he was "elected democraticaly" is a slap in the face to anything that is fair and democratic elections because if it had happened in your country, you'd be pulling out your pitchfork.

    I'm sorry, I don't see how that is something desirable in an elected representative. So of course the people rioted against that and he got deposed.
    The first thing the interim govt did is set elections in may. that's not the action of a corrupt administration.

    Svoboda is a ukrainian nationalist group and is now part of the administration, yes, but they're a very minor partner. This make-shift alliance of convenience for the interim govt has to hold until election day in Ukraine or else the country will be plunged into chaos again. It's not an optimum scenario but the alternative is to put power back in the hands of the people who supported Yanukovych, of the former ruling regime. Maybe have a few dozen more ukrainian killed by snipers in the streets.

    This is the real world. Political crises have consequences especially in less developed nations that are trying to escape the scars of communism.

    If you don't understand that world, as clearly many don't, don't be a wise-ass. I think this isn't the first time I'm telling you about how the 2010 election went down in Ukraine and why stating the things you do is bollocks. And this isn't me making **** up, it's what actually happened. Look it up, ukraine 2010 elections.
    Nicely said. Why are "likes" off?
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    Re: Ukraine far right Svoboda attack TV chief and force to resign

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I don't think you have a complete understanding on what was happening there.
    Yanukovych, under his watch, had over 37bil dollars "misplaced", by which I mean stolen, by him and his cronies. The total economy of Ukraine is around 170-180bil dollars. Ok? And then, he accepted a 15bil $ bribe from Russia to turn down the treaty for trade with the EU. That's not him going to Russia, that's him being bought by Russia and selling out his country.

    Secondly, he got elected due to massive fraud and there are numerous other inconsistencies. If such an election, as the one in 2010, would happen in any western country, you'd be outraged. It'll be unacceptable as a democratic standard. So you saying he was "elected democraticaly" is a slap in the face to anything that is fair and democratic elections because if it had happened in your country, you'd be pulling out your pitchfork.

    I'm sorry, I don't see how that is something desirable in an elected representative. So of course the people rioted against that and he got deposed.
    The first thing the interim govt did is set elections in may. that's not the action of a corrupt administration.

    Svoboda is a ukrainian nationalist group and is now part of the administration, yes, but they're a very minor partner. This make-shift alliance of convenience for the interim govt has to hold until election day in Ukraine or else the country will be plunged into chaos again. It's not an optimum scenario but the alternative is to put power back in the hands of the people who supported Yanukovych, of the former ruling regime. Maybe have a few dozen more ukrainian killed by snipers in the streets.

    This is the real world. Political crises have consequences especially in less developed nations that are trying to escape the scars of communism.

    If you don't understand that world, as clearly many don't, don't be a wise-ass. I think this isn't the first time I'm telling you about how the 2010 election went down in Ukraine and why stating the things you do is bollocks. And this isn't me making **** up, it's what actually happened. Look it up, ukraine 2010 elections.
    I'm not reading past the first paragraph. Bush lost hells more than that in Iraq and Afghanistan corruption, we didn't oust Bush or either of our stooges in those countries. So don't try to turn this into some righteous bunch of bull crap.

    Sorry, but the parliament did not oust Yanukovych, so regardless of any fraud or otherwise, his overthrow was illegitimate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I'm not reading past the first paragraph. Bush lost hells more than that in Iraq and Afghanistan corruption, we didn't oust Bush or either of our stooges in those countries. So don't try to turn this into some righteous bunch of bull crap.

    Sorry, but the parliament did not oust Yanukovych, so regardless of any fraud or otherwise, his overthrow was illegitimate.
    Did Bush sell your country to a foreign power? No? Ok then, your argument and comparation is BS.

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    Nicely said. Why are "likes" off?
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