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    Re: Ukraine far right Svoboda attack TV chief and force to resign

    To any interested (fluency in Ukrainian and Russian required), documents (many incriminating) found in the lavish presidential compound of Viktor Yanukovych at Mezhihirya are being scanned and archived online.

    YanukovychLeaks National Project

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    Re: Ukraine far right Svoboda attack TV chief and force to resign

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Time for Russia to kill more non-white Russians. It's a problem too, because so far Russia doesn't succeed in killing ALL of them, and those not killed act pissy creating "chaos" by virtue of existing. Maybe this time Russia will get genocide and subjugation right and finish the job. An all-white world is a perfect world, correct? Send all the others somewhere else or kill them, whichever.

    So far, Putin said that this time against non-white Russians in Crimea he is only going to send those people (who actually are the indigenous people) elsewhere.

    Time for some more Tartar Muslim ass-kicking!!!

    Worked for Hitler and Germany. For all practical purposes Jews were eradicated from Western Europe permanently. So those of you praising Putin's saving "ethnic Russians" might be right that success is potentially possible.

    There is a logic to his reasoning. If everyone of African-American dissent was sent elsewhere, then there would be no black-white problem in the USA.

    Personally, I don't agree with doing that - but it appears many if not most on this forum do.
    The indigenous Tatars of the Crimea were kicked out long before Putin. They only started coming back after the collapse of the USSR. Do you have any idea how many different ethnicities live in the Russian Federation? Russia's record on indigenous people is better than ours over history.

    Back before Ivan the Terrible, the Tatars held power over the Russians, and actually even the Tatars aren't "indigenous." They came from Mongolia and killed the people that lived there when they arrived.


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    Re: Ukraine far right Svoboda attack TV chief and force to resign

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Since Germany has never backed up the USA on anything, why the hell should we give a **** what Germany thinks? Germany's history is of being a huge pain the ass to the USA.
    Why?

    You may state that for EU but I think Germany didn't gave such a huge pain to US.
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    Re: Ukraine far right Svoboda attack TV chief and force to resign

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Factually incorrect.

    Crimea was given as a "gift" to Ukraine on 24 February 1954 by Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev ostensibly to mark the 300th anniversary of Ukraine's merger with the Russian empire. The transfer was reported in Pravda...
    If Ukraine was part of the Russia empire then techncally Russia gifted Crimea to itself. Apparently, the gift was largely symbolic.

    (btw, good post, Simplexity)


    Official reason notwithstanding, no one knows precisely why Khrushchev decided to do this. His wife Nina was Ukrainian and it could have been a form of repayment for the millions of Ukrainians murdered by Stalin during the Holodomor. Almost two years later to the day on 25 February 1956, Khrushchev delivered his "Secret Speech" denunciation of Stalin at the Communist Party's Twentieth Congress in Moscow. What Khrushchev never imagined or anticipated, was the dissolution of the USSR less than forty years later.
    Thats pretty much what I've read, too. Do you think Khrushchev would have gifted a Russian territory to Ukraine if he thought it wouldn't belong to Russia anymore? I don't.


    At the time of the dissolution of the USSR, the only items Russia wanted from Ukraine were its nuclear weapons on Ukrainian territory (the Budapest Memorandum) and a lease for the Black Sea Fleet port at Sevastopol (granted). At the time, Crimea was a financial sinkhole that Russia didn't want. As Putin is about to discover, Crimea remains a financial sinkhole and Ukraine is better off economically without it.
    I suspect that Crimea was a financial sinkhole when Kruschev gifted it to Ukraine as well. But there is another possiblity for the 'gifting' of Ukraine and that involved the building of a canal and the transfering of administration responsiblities for the canal in Crimea over to Ukraine....
    "....Since the canal passes mostly through Ukrainian territory, then the rest of it should, along with the whole of Crimea, pass from the supervision of Moscow to that of Kiev.

    My father Nikita Khrushchev who headed the leadership of the Soviet Union, agreed with this argument, especially that an anniversary was approaching:

    In February 1954, it was 300 years since Ukraine joined Russia. It was said - it was done. The Higher Council of the Russian Federation decided to pass Crimea over to Ukraine. In this way, Crimea came under the jurisdiction of Kiev, but just formally. In fact, it remained part of the Soviet Union and was our common holiday destination. ....
    Crimea: Whose land is this? Part 1



    At the time of the USSR dissolution in 1991, Russia was having a constitional crisis...

    1993 Russian constitutional crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    a coup attempt against the USSR...

    1991 Soviet coup d'état attempt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    a war of laws between Yeltsin and Russia parliment and USSR...

    War of Laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    and finally a secret meeting behind Gorbachev's back to dissolve the USSR ....

    In early December 1991, Ukraine voted for independence from the Soviet Union. A week later, on 8 December, Yeltsin met Ukrainian president Leonid Kravchuk and the leader of Belarus, Stanislav Shushkevich, in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. In the Belavezha Accords, the three presidents announced the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the formation of a voluntary Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) in its place. According to Gorbachev, Yeltsin kept the plans of the Belovezhskaya meeting in strict secrecy and the main goal of the dissolution of the Soviet Union was to get rid of Gorbachev, who by that time had started to recover his position after the events of August. Gorbachev has also accused Yeltsin of violating the people's will expressed in the referendum in which the majority voted to keep the Soviet Union united....
    Boris Yeltsin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    How Ukraine's fate was decided by a hunting lodge

    Belavezha Accords - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    As president of the Soviet Union, why wasn't Gorbechev at the Belavezha Accord that decided not only the fate of the USSR but Crimea as well?

    As president of Russia, did Yeltsin have the authority to dissove the soviet union?


    The official document proclaiming the dissolution of the USSR appears to missing...

    Document proclaiming death of Soviet Union missing - Telegraph
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    Re: Ukraine far right Svoboda attack TV chief and force to resign

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    To any interested (fluency in Ukrainian and Russian required), documents (many incriminating) found in the lavish presidential compound of Viktor Yanukovych at Mezhihirya are being scanned and archived online.

    YanukovychLeaks National Project
    Do you speak fluent Ukrainian and Russian?

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    Re: Ukraine far right Svoboda attack TV chief and force to resign

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    These are the kinds of criminals the people from the Crimea want to be free from. I guess these are the same kinds of idiots who advised/forced the new "government" (because it was hardly a democratic process by which it got created) to ban Russian as a language in the Ukraine.
    Those who are ethnic white Russians in Crimea want to be free of Tartar Muslims so they can take their land and property.

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