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Russia To Sanction U.S. Senators.....

You beat me to it. This whole tit for tat thing is so juvenile.

Hmmmm....... Imagine that.

Childish men with nukes.




Heya Cap. :2wave: That's due to the fact that Putin knows we can't make up the difference with oil and gas to the EU.


"Led by the powerhouse lobbying of the American Petroleum Institute, a coalition of Fortune 500 energy companies are using the Ukraine crisis to spur Congress to approve a key policy goal: Easing regulations on the export of U.S. natural gas.

Despite a decade-long boom in U.S. natural gas production, very little of America's vast gas reserves are exported.. That's because strict regulations on the transfer and storage of gas have made it impossible to profitably ship out of the U.S.

Oil and gas companies have paid Washington lobbyists millions in recent years to challenge the strict export rules.....snip~

U.S. Push For Natural Gas Exports To Help Ukraine Won't Actually Help Ukraine

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...part-russia-not-ukraine-6.html#post1063048870
 
krauthammer is just a war-mongering kook who wants US taxpayers to continue subsidizing the reckless Israeli govt.

As for Putin's means of retaliation, he could--if he wanted--change his mind about delivering S-300 or S-400 missile defense systems to Iran, OR decide to kick Exxon out of Russia, make life miserable for it there AND the other OPEC countries that are friendly to Russia OR nationalize all its assets in Russia.

The US Congress, of course, routinely gets down on its knees and sucks Rex Tillerson's ****, so anything Exxon wants, Exxon gets. . .

Exxon Mobil Has a Lot to Lose in a Sanctioned Russia - TheStreet

Well, I won't dignify the **** sucking with a response, however it would seem that Krauthammer made a couple salient points. First, sanctioning seven Russians is probably the oddest thing I've ever seen a President do. I thought it was hilarious when he said that Obama might ramp up the pressure by sanctioning eleven. The second was that If Obama didn't have a coherent response to Russian aggression, the best thing he could do is keep quiet.

We subsidize all kinds of government's around the world. Many that we shouldn't. I personally believe that the cost/benefit that we get with Israel is worth it.
 
This is like Putin saying; that if you sanction my countries billionaires, I spit on your Congress. It's literally almost childish, by both parties concerned.

The personal crap isn't professional, nor necessary. And it could lead to unintended consequences if they keep it up. It seems our immature Congress can't comment on other world leaders anymore, without it descending into "nah, nah you're a meanie tyrant and dictator who oppresses everyone". Like they're a bunch of saints.

Neither side seriously wants a rupture but both sides are compelled to escalate the tension to serve their respective political interests.

Well, I won't dignify the **** sucking with a response, however it would seem that Krauthammer made a couple salient points. First, sanctioning seven Russians is probably the oddest thing I've ever seen a President do. I thought it was hilarious when he said that Obama might ramp up the pressure by sanctioning eleven. The second was that If Obama didn't have a coherent response to Russian aggression, the best thing he could do is keep quiet.

We subsidize all kinds of government's around the world. Many that we shouldn't. I personally believe that the cost/benefit that we get with Israel is worth it.

We can't fight them. Sanctioning (real sanctioning) unilaterally damages both our businesses and alliances to no one's benefit.

But if we do nothing, then every Ukraine in the world (and there are a lot) is going to redouble their effort to acquire nuclear weapons.

Fifty years later we could be looking back at this as the beginning of the end.
 
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Are you upset that Russia is mocking the US and the EU? Instead of looking to put the blame on those that you can't handle taking any message from. Perhaps you should hold those accountable that got out-witted, manipulated, and out played and out-classed. Bout time you start holding those accountable for their failures which can Imperil a Nation.


Sorry to see you think this is over.
Sorry to see you take glee in what you think is another event to do your Obama-rant.
We'll see who laughs last, just like the election.

What a stupid analogy equating Russia next door to another Nation Putin invades versus the USA around the globe.
There is a greater % of Americans rooting for Putin than Russians.
Pretty sick don't you think?

The last thing Putin has is class.
Right down there with the people who think Obama is a failure on Putin's invasion.
Are you down with Cold War 2.0?
May all Americans rot in hell hoping Putin will succeed over Obama/USA .
 
Neither side seriously wants a rupture but both sides are
compelled to escalate the tension to serve their respective political interests.
Since Putin invaded another Nation, both sides are compelled to escalate the tension.
Only in America could such a double standard be applied to Obama versus Bush-43 .
 
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Are you upset with what the Chancellor of Austria is saying.
Putin doesn't have a problem with EU countries, does he?
That is most definitely Obama's fault in your book.
As with the Malaysian plane, right ?
 
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What this amounts to is "which world super-power's economy will blink first".

If I were a betting man I'd say Russia. The U.S. sanctioning their wealthy billionaires will have a far deeper economic impact on the Russian economy than their sanctioning our wealthy Congressmen. The source of our wealth rest with wealth creators who reside outside the DC beltway. Theirs rest within the Kremlin.
 
Sorry to see you think this is over.
Sorry to see you take glee in what you think is another event to do your Obama-rant.
We'll see who laughs last, just like the election.

What a stupid analogy equating Russia next door to another Nation Putin invades versus the USA around the globe.
There is a greater % of Americans rooting for Putin than Russians.
Pretty sick don't you think?

The last thing Putin has is class.
Right down there with the people who think Obama is a failure on Putin's invasion.
Are you down with Cold War 2.0?
May all Americans rot in hell hoping Putin will succeed over Obama/USA .


Who said just Putin.....try Lavrov outclassing, out-witting, and manipulating Kerry. Susan Rice, Samatha Powers, and just about anybody we have had dealing with Russia these last 6 years.

I can't help it you are unable to figure out how most experts out there say there isn't anything the US can do that's not going to affect ourselves. Yet here we have Democrats like Dick Durbin running around trying to create a bigger issue with Russia and even enough so to top Putins list on who he is banning here in the US.

Filing resolutions to get the Ukrainians more money. Which we don't need to give the Ukrainians anymore money. Now they came asking for weapons.

Right now the EU is admitting their sanctions aren't as severe as ours are now. Which they aren't much of anything at this point. Other than us stopping Military to military talks.

Also I already have a piece up that speaks to Obama's Foreign Policy being a failure. I think that's tied in with What McCain said about Obama.
 
Well, I won't dignify the **** sucking with a response, however it would seem that Krauthammer made a couple salient points. First, sanctioning seven Russians is probably the oddest thing I've ever seen a President do. I thought it was hilarious when he said that Obama might ramp up the pressure by sanctioning eleven.

Get real :rolleyes: Obama knows that it will have zilch effect. He's just tossing this cowboy swagger around to pacify the naive, gullible voters who don't like to think of their country as "weak."

What's hilarious to the max is the inability of so many on the right to recognize that Obama is doing that, and isn't even trying to do anything.

That's why they think O is weak--they assume, childishly, that he actually cares about this latest action by Putin and is doing his best, when he really doesn't. Weakness, FYI, is only exhibited when one wants to fight but can't, but not when one refuses to do so.
 
. Who said just Putin
You didnt say Putin at all; you said Russia.
How many of your Vietnam brothers were killed with Russian/Soviet weapons?
Dick Durbin
You trash Durbin for the same reason you trash Obama--purely political.
 
What this amounts to is "which world super-power's economy will blink first".

If I were a betting man I'd say Russia. The U.S. sanctioning their wealthy billionaires will have a far deeper economic impact on the Russian economy than their sanctioning our wealthy Congressmen. The source of our wealth rest with wealth creators who reside outside the DC beltway. Theirs rest within the Kremlin.

Congrats on your birth yesterday.

You can't sanction Russian billionaires--they're cash is stashed safely away in multiple financial havens and are connected up the ranks w/Solntsevskaya Bratva, which can take out any high-level pol and/or their families faster than you can eat your Cheerios. And it's irrational to believe that billionaires will have all their cash invested in one basket, as opposed to it being distributed globally.

They also have many of their operations carried out by holding companies which can't easily be traced directly to them.
 
Setting aside this appears to be a done-deal before it happened with the West and USA, Putin realizes that Obama doesn't know how to play poker.

Regardless of how you see this incident, anyone else concerned at how weak and incompetent our President looks to the world. Do something or do nothing, but don't look and act like a castrated gelding!
 
Setting aside this appears to be a done-deal before it happened with the West and USA, Putin realizes that Obama doesn't know how to play poker.

Regardless of how you see this incident, anyone else concerned at how weak and incompetent our President looks to the world.

Most of the world is laughing at how stupid and gullible America's right wing is for believing that Obama actually cared about this latest media craze as opposed to merely feeding the right bull!@#$ to keep them quiet.

Do something or do nothing, but don't look and act like a castrated gelding!

Ah yes, the castrated gelding. . .

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I'm guessing the Democrats hope that happens, too. Who gives a flying....whether Putin sanctions anybody or not? Hell, McCain is right - it's a badge of honor to be sanctioned by that petty little pissant.

The petty little pissant is no longer Pres, fortunately.
 
If I was the Polish foreign minister, I'd be listening hard for the sounds of Russian tank engines warming up on his border. This is all so reminiscent of the European inaction when Hitler

Excellent, Godwin's Law makes a comeback.
 
Are you enjoying the weaknesses of a FREE society in your mind?
That Putin has a rubber stamp for a congress versus FREELY elected and ACTING Senators and congressman.

There are no freely elected and acting Senators in the US. They're all owned by Rex Tillerson, and right now, Putin has Tillerson by the balls, so. . .
 
What this amounts to is "which world super-power's economy will blink first".

If I were a betting man I'd say Russia. The U.S. sanctioning their wealthy billionaires will have a far deeper economic impact on the Russian economy than their sanctioning our wealthy Congressmen. The source of our wealth rest with wealth creators who reside outside the DC beltway. Theirs rest within the Kremlin.

Crimea is worth over a trillion dollars in oil, gas and natural resources. They don't give a **** about Obama's faux sanctions. If you just gained ownership of all of Alaska's oil would you give a damn if your bank account was frozen in exchange?


Which you pick? Your bank account you have now - or all of Alaska?
 
You people are ignoring the fact that the citizens of Crimea wants Russia there. Doesn't the will of the people mean anything anymore?
 
Putin: "If you don't stop interfering in Crimea, I'll ban your Senators from entering Russia."

Congress: "HA HA we don't give a !@#$"

Putin: "If you don't stop interfering in Crimea, I'll ban all Vodka and caviar exports to the US."

Congress: "HA HA we don't give a !@#$"

Putin: "If you don't stop interfering in Crimea, I'll give Iran S-400 missiles and we'll see how Israel copes with them."

Congress: "As we said before, the sanctions against Russia are wholly unjustified and must be cancelled immediately. Russia is a free and prosperous democracy, and Putin is a great man."

Part of this problem, is Obama engaging in a game of chicken with Putin. A game which our weak leader will lose.
 
Putin doesn't have a problem with EU countries, does he?
That is most definitely Obama's fault in your book.
As with the Malaysian plane, right ?


Obviously not all of them......No that's not Obama's fault. Obama wasn't an even a notion of becoming a possibility of being a fleshy bag of water within Creation's thought processes when those EU countries all started having problems. But surely you should know this.....considering you said you were a teacher.

Did all the Media confuse you when they came out and reported that France said they can't accept what Putin is doing and they stand with the Election that took place last MAY. Which means the French is validating Yanokovich as the Legitimate ruling government of the Ukraine.

Now if we go with your interpretation of things. This would mean France and Russia are on the same side and France would be supporting Putin and Russia. So we will let you spin that round for everyone.
 
You didnt say Putin at all; you said Russia.
How many of your Vietnam brothers were killed with Russian/Soviet weapons?

You trash Durbin for the same reason you trash Obama--purely political.


That's Right I did say Russia.....but then that would include all those that make up the ruling government of Russia. Which those people do have Names.

What does that bit about NAM and Soviet Weapons have to do with the Price of Tea in China?

No.....I trash Durbin for what he says out of his mouth and for being nothing more than a Obama yes man. He use to be his own politician with his own ideas. Course that goes way back when he actually worked for a living. Now he is nothing more than an Obama ass kisser.
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Get real :rolleyes: Obama knows that it will have zilch effect. He's just tossing this cowboy swagger around to pacify the naive, gullible voters who don't like to think of their country as "weak."

What's hilarious to the max is the inability of so many on the right to recognize that Obama is doing that, and isn't even trying to do anything.

That's why they think O is weak--they assume, childishly, that he actually cares about this latest action by Putin and is doing his best, when he really doesn't. Weakness, FYI, is only exhibited when one wants to fight but can't, but not when one refuses to do so.

First, I am real. That's why I have the ability to type. In general I think we are in agreement about Obama. He can't do anything to affect Russian policy and he knows it. The reason he can't do anything has nothing to do with the events of the last month, they have everything to do with the last six years. Obama has deliberately engaged in a foreign policy designed to decrease Americas power in the world. His incoherent policy weakened our relationships with our allies and emboldened our enemies. He foolishly believed that we had established a strategic friendly relationship with Russia until Putin handed him his ass in Syria. Now he has to come to terms with the fact that the reset button that Hillary hit was just like one of those fake buttons that you get at Staples and that leading from behind isn't leading, it's just going along for the ride.
 
What has started here is the kind of mutual divestment countries go through in the lead up to open hostilities. They start as ways of causing financial difficulty for the opposition government, and slip into full scale economic withdrawal. What the US and Russia are (possibly inadvertently) doing is creating a rift that will slowly force countries to take sides. The end result of that would be a split world economy with Russia and US occupying opposite sides in a new cold war.

Unfortunately, the way the eventual fault line runs will depend entirely on the skill, determination and competence of the US administration.

In other words, Eastern Europe is screwed.
 
Neither side seriously wants a rupture but both sides are compelled to escalate the tension to serve their respective political interests.

I agree, and think they both saw this coming with the Ukraine's economy tanking and Russia using them for energy profits and naval bases. Russia may get more flack over this from the West than they bargained for but it's not going to cripple them.
 
Excellent, Godwin's Law makes a comeback.

Tell that to the Ukrainians. Or the Georgians (you know, the ones in Europe, not in Dixie). People who bring up Godwin's law when references are made to big countries invading small neighbors and then annexing them are obviously woefully ignorant of history. Sometimes behavior is Hitlerian, regardless of whether you like it or not.

http://windypundit.com/2012/02/ive_always_hated_godwins_law/
 
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