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    Re: Russia To Sanction U.S. Senators.....

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    First, I am real. That's why I have the ability to type. In general I think we are in agreement about Obama. He can't do anything to affect Russian policy and he knows it. The reason he can't do anything has nothing to do with the events of the last month, they have everything to do with the last six years. Obama has deliberately engaged in a foreign policy
    Correct. At last, you're acknowledging that Obama's indifference to the events in Crimea are deliberate, as opposed to him trying to be tough in Crimea but failing at it. Congrats.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    designed to decrease Americas power in the world.
    Incorrect. America--i. e. the American people, have never had any power in the world at all thanks to their miserable obsessed govt. in the last 50 years, which continues to run up huge deficits and taxes everyone to death to pay for pointless military interventions and sponsorship of foreign regimes (i. e. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Contras, . . .)

    As for the US govt.--which works for Exxon, BP, etc.--it has always been weak because

    1) Its military can't fight worth crap, as evidenced by its 8 year bungling in Iraq and continual bungling in Afghanistan against Third World adversaries w/crude weapons.

    2) It has never in the last 50 years, under all administrations, stood up for democracy; rather, it only claims to do so when it's in the best interest of its corporate-backed or AIPAC-backed sponsors, and condemns all democracies that are detrimental to those interests, and the rest of the world knows it and therefore never trusts anything the US govt. says.

    So, in a nutshell, Obama did not do anything to weaken the US or the US govt. because it has already been weakened by prior administrations beyond all hope. FYI, one can only weaken something that was strong to begin with.
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    Re: Russia To Sanction U.S. Senators.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Tell that to the Ukrainians.
    The Ukrainian people have nothing to be sad about. Russia got rid of a territory that didn't like them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Or the Georgians (you know, the ones in Europe, not in Dixie).
    The Georgians have nothing to be upset about, because the territory that Russia seized, South Ossetia, was also staunchly pro-Russian.

    You see, the problem here is the right's tendency to employ false analogies based on their childish understanding of history (largely induced by the one-sided report of faux-news and the US mainstream media)--

    Hilter conquered countries and territories that didn't want him there, whereas Putin invaded two territories (South Ossetia and Crimea) that welcomed him w/open arms.

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    Re: Russia To Sanction U.S. Senators.....

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Correct. At last, you're acknowledging that Obama's indifference to the events in Crimea are deliberate, as opposed to him trying to be tough in Crimea but failing at it. Congrats.



    Incorrect. America--i. e. the American people, have never had any power in the world at all thanks to their miserable obsessed govt. in the last 50 years, which continues to run up huge deficits and taxes everyone to death to pay for pointless military interventions and sponsorship of foreign regimes (i. e. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Contras, . . .)

    As for the US govt.--which works for Exxon, BP, etc.--it has always been weak because

    1) Its military can't fight worth crap, as evidenced by its 8 year bungling in Iraq and continual bungling in Afghanistan against Third World adversaries w/crude weapons.

    2) It has never in the last 50 years, under all administrations, stood up for democracy; rather, it only claims to do so when it's in the best interest of its corporate-backed or AIPAC-backed sponsors, and condemns all democracies that are detrimental to those interests, and the rest of the world knows it and therefore never trusts anything the US govt. says.

    So, in a nutshell, Obama did not do anything to weaken the US or the US govt. because it has already been weakened by prior administrations beyond all hope. FYI, one can only weaken something that was strong to begin with.
    I totally disagree that Obama did nothing to weaken the government internationally. I'm not going to defend Bush but our enemies knew that a threat to American interests would be met with serious military consequences. Wether you agree with those choices is a different topic. Obama hasn't shown a particular interest in foreign policy. He's played nice with our enemies, confused our allies and drawn movable lines in the sand when he disagrees with the actions of other nations. He's led from behind in the Middle East, emboldening our enemies and taken a back seat to the Russians who now drive foreign policy in the region.

    Bush was someone who could be taken by his word. The question remains if his word was the right word, but at least the international community knew that his word would be backed by action. Obama just runs his mouth and hopes someone will listen. Either that or he slides his hand up Kerry's back side and moves his mouth for him.

    I just read you last post again. What the hell do you mean "at last?" I've never thought anything other than the fact that Obama was an ineffective international leader. Here's a tip for you. Try communicating with others with an opening line that is something other than passive aggressive. You'll be a more effective communicator.
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    Re: Russia To Sanction U.S. Senators.....

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I hope they sanction the Democrats.
    It might work more effectively if the US sanctioned them also.

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    Re: Russia To Sanction U.S. Senators.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Tell that to the Ukrainians. Or the Georgians (you know, the ones in Europe, not in Dixie). People who bring up Godwin's law when references are made to big countries invading small neighbors and then annexing them are obviously woefully ignorant of history. Sometimes behavior is Hitlerian, regardless of whether you like it or not.

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    Re: Russia To Sanction U.S. Senators.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    One can relate anything to the nazis. Hitler wore pants, and they wear pants...!!

    Until genocide occurs, the comparison is off the table as it belittles the horror.
    Are you just making up these rules?

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    Re: Russia To Sanction U.S. Senators.....

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The Ukrainian people have nothing to be sad about. Russia got rid of a territory that didn't like them.



    The Georgians have nothing to be upset about, because the territory that Russia seized, South Ossetia, was also staunchly pro-Russian.

    You see, the problem here is the right's tendency to employ false analogies based on their childish understanding of history (largely induced by the one-sided report of faux-news and the US mainstream media)--

    Hilter conquered countries and territories that didn't want him there, whereas Putin invaded two territories (South Ossetia and Crimea) that welcomed him w/open arms.
    And who are you to determine when people should and shouldn't be upset, "libertarian"?

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    Re: Russia To Sanction U.S. Senators.....

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I totally disagree that Obama did nothing to weaken the government internationally. I'm not going to defend Bush but our enemies knew that a threat to American interests would be met with serious military consequences. Wether you agree with those choices is a different topic. Obama hasn't shown a particular interest in foreign policy. He's played nice with our enemies, confused our allies and drawn movable lines in the sand when he disagrees with the actions of other nations. He's led from behind in the Middle East, emboldening our enemies and taken a back seat to the Russians who now drive foreign policy in the region.

    Bush was someone who could be taken by his word. The question remains if his word was the right word, but at least the international community knew that his word would be backed by action. Obama just runs his mouth and hopes someone will listen. Either that or he slides his hand up Kerry's back side and moves his mouth for him.

    I just read you last post again. What the hell do you mean "at last?" I've never thought anything other than the fact that Obama was an ineffective international leader. Here's a tip for you. Try communicating with others with an opening line that is something other than passive aggressive. You'll be a more effective communicator.
    Agreed. Obama, Clinton, and Kerry have been one of the most stunningly inept administrations in modern history. Its almost like they are being mugged by reality.

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    Re: Russia To Sanction U.S. Senators.....

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Agreed. Obama, Clinton, and Kerry have been one of the most stunningly inept administrations in modern history. Its almost like they are being mugged by reality.
    Mugged????? Their getting Skull......erm uhm well.....

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    Re: Russia To Sanction U.S. Senators.....

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The Ukrainian people have nothing to be sad about. Russia got rid of a territory that didn't like them.



    The Georgians have nothing to be upset about, because the territory that Russia seized, South Ossetia, was also staunchly pro-Russian.

    You see, the problem here is the right's tendency to employ false analogies based on their childish understanding of history (largely induced by the one-sided report of faux-news and the US mainstream media)--

    Hilter conquered countries and territories that didn't want him there, whereas Putin invaded two territories (South Ossetia and Crimea) that welcomed him w/open arms.
    So I guess we'd better hope Mexico doesn't decide to invade Los Angeles. Or France doesn't decide to invade Quebec.

    Your reference to Godwin's Law was apparently designed to end any comparison of the Russian land grab with Hitler. This just in: Sometimes comparisons with Hitler are right on point. If you honestly think this ends with the Russians only invading territory that 'likes' them, you're either a Putin fanboy or simply do not understand international politics. Or you get all your news from the Russian media.
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