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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'




    Why would Ron Paul slam the USA for minding its own business?

    I thought that was one of the Libertarians big ideas.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Someone is going to have to explain this more to me as I don't seem to get it. Crimea voted to leave Ukraine and join Russia. That's their right, no? I am sure there is some behind the scenes going on here, I just don't know enough about the situation I guess.
    Here was the vote choice...

    1. ___ Leave Ukrane now

    2. ___ Leave Ukrane later


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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Good post util you got to >" US President talked up Quebec joining the US "< Nothing even close to comparing what happened or is happening in Crimea. No providence in Canada ever had any connections or ties at any time to the United States.

    Where as the Ukraine back during the mid 1600's asked to become a protective nation under the Carist Russia and would remain so until the Bolshevik Revolution and they tried to become an independent sovereign nation but lost and were brought under the new USSR in 1920 and remained so until the end of the Cold War.

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    The Ukraine has had a close relationship with Russia for over 350 years.

    Otherwise a good post
    The only counter to that I would make is that early in Canada's history and before we were formed as a nation, Quebec, being French, was more "friendly" and supportive of the USA than it was of the British who conquered them. In addition, during the war of 1812, many in Quebec hoped that the US would defeat the British and take over control of Canada. Fortunately, for Canada, there were plenty of British who fled the US for Canada after the British defeat there in the late 1700s and fought to keep the US from taking over north of the 49th parallel.

    Here in Canada, we know that many in Quebec during their separation referendums have talked about joining the US and have been known to travel to Washington, the site of American political power and New York, the site of American financial power, to push for just such an alignment.

    In the end, however, I was only proposing a hypothetical whereby the American administration at the time encouraged the secession of of Quebec in order to unite with the US.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think he is out of office, was only a congressman if the term only applies. He did run for president but didn't do all that good. I am not even sure he deserves a thread on him. Now having said that, I think with all of this Ukraine stuff, the Crimea etc all being in Russia's backyard, it really isn't all that much our business. History shows the Ukraine has been part of Russia for a very long time, it is their sphere of influence. Now if Russia started to work its way west and was threatening Poland, then I would be more worried about it than with the Crimea. So in a way I am siding with Ron Paul although I do not think he deserves this attention.
    He's a former Congressman who sparked a movement. He was philosophically consistent and was beholden to no special interests but his constituents, which is a breath of fresh air to anyone who's been paying attention. Disagree with him if you must, many do, but one absolutely cannot argue that he hasn't been influential on some level.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Why would Ron Paul slam the USA for minding its own business?

    I thought that was one of the Libertarians big ideas.
    Did you actually read the article?

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    He's a former Congressman who sparked a movement. He was philosophically consistent and was beholden to no special interests but his constituents, which is a breath of fresh air to anyone who's been paying attention. Disagree with him if you must, many do, but one absolutely cannot argue that he hasn't been influential on some level.
    Perhaps, but has the movement continued or has it basically gone dormant without him to lead it? I agree he has some good ideas, but i would bet the vast majority of those who followed him during his presidential run have left and gone back to their normal business or routine.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perhaps, but has the movement continued or has it basically gone dormant without him to lead it? I agree he has some good ideas, but i would bet the vast majority of those who followed him during his presidential run have left and gone back to their normal business or routine.
    The movement gains more traction everyday, contrary to what those who oppose his views might have you believe.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    The movement gains more traction everyday, contrary to what those who oppose his views might have you believe.
    I'll take your word for it. But I haven't seen anything of it doing so. Probably because of where I live. One can only hope, his message is more of a traditional conservative type ala Barry Goldwater than what passes as conservatism today.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Good post util you got to >" US President talked up Quebec joining the US "< Nothing even close to comparing what happened or is happening in Crimea. No providence in Canada ever had any connections or ties at any time to the United States.

    Where as the Ukraine back during the mid 1600's asked to become a protective nation under the Carist Russia and would remain so until the Bolshevik Revolution and they tried to become an independent sovereign nation but lost and were brought under the new USSR in 1920 and remained so until the end of the Cold War.

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    The Ukraine has had a close relationship with Russia for over 350 years.

    Otherwise a good post
    Which is why the US needs to be out of it, should never have supported the violent overthrow of Ukraine's elected government and immediately recognise an unelected pro Western government, TOO transparent, and obvious as to why Russia is taking the very legitimate action in response.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Ron Paul's naivete is on full display yet again. Even as the U.S. supported the protest movement in Ukraine, it is more than a stretch to suggest that the U.S. backed or engineered a "coup." Moreover, Paul's opposition to economic aid to Ukraine flys in the face of his supposed advocacy of free trade and economic relations. On closer inspection, his commitment to free trade and economic relations has always been questionable, as when it came to concrete substance to advance such positions--free trade agreements, institutions, and mechanisms--he has persistently opposed such substance. Actions speak far louder than words.

    Overall, his position concerning Ukraine and Crimea highlights anew the reality that he was out of his league in seeking the Presidency. World leaders hostile to U.S. interests, including but not limited to those in Iran and North Korea would have exploited his superficial understanding of world affairs and his naivete to erode American economic and national security interests. American allies would have been put in a bad position as American reliability would have undermined under Paul's foreign policy abdication.

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