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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Well I don't know if I'd say Ron Paul is full of common sense. Sanctions are not an act of war. I do agree we tend to find excuses to have a 'national interest' in things that don't concern us, but his call to pack it all up and come home isn't practical.

    I don't see sanctions having any real affect on the situation, Putin doesn't need our permission to go anywhere but perhaps the UN. Europe needs Russian NG and we can't replace that energy consumption. it is more a case of our internal politics driving international policies.
    I believe its a matter for the country being crippled by the sanctions to decide if its an act of war or not.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Have we had sanctions against Cuba?
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    He's right. Sanctions have always been an act of war, whether a country can respond to it as such (Japan) or not (Iran).
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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Economic sanctions are an act of war.
    They all would think so if we were ever crippled by them.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Have we had sanctions against Cuba?
    If we didn't, Monte would be all over us about being buddies with dictators. We'd be pelted with pics of Bush kissing Castro and a narrative of long romantic walks on the beach. I'd support the sanctions against Cuba just to not have to suffer that sophomoric crap.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Over our 227 years as a Nation, sanctions could have been called Tariffs countless times.

    As for Putin, let him turn off the oil and gas lines.
    Europe has lived through rationing before.
    We'll see how long Putin can do without money, while the USA and the Mideast (re)supply the EU/Ukraine.

    And when Putin wants to come back, you know what to tell him !!


    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    He's right. Sanctions have always been an act of war, whether a country can respond to it as such (Japan) or not (Iran).
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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Over our 227 years as a Nation, sanctions could have been called Tariffs countless times.

    As for Putin, let him turn off the oil and gas lines.
    Europe has lived through rationing before.
    We'll see how long Putin can do without money, while the USA and the Mideast (re)supply the EU/Ukraine.

    And when Putin wants to come back, you know what to tell him !!
    No they couldn't. Sanctions are different than tariffs.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The White House claims the election was a complete fraud and Russia brought in pre-marked ballots to count. Do claim the Obama White House is lying?

    I would think elections called for and overseen by an invading and occupying military force seeking to have the voters vote for the county of the invaders certainly would have to be an honest election, right?
    The Russian forces are NOT invading...they have a pre-agreement to be there (at the Black Sea Fleet base). And they are not all over the country. They are - to my knowledge, outside of a few isolated areas - pretty much around their huge military base where they are allowed to be by agreement with Ukraine. And they were invited by the local government AND have overwhelming local support.
    So having foreign troops precludes having a free and fair election? Then what about all those Iraqi elections when their country was crawling with foreign invaders (American soldiers)? Is anyone seriously suggesting that those elections were not free and fair - of course not. Or what about Vietnam when the U.S. was still there? Same thing...no problem. What about Afghanistan elections? No problem. Even though there were hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops and there are only 20,000 or so Russian troops in the Crimea.
    To suggest the Iraqi/Vietnam/Afghanistani elections were fair when U.S. forces TOTALLY dominated those areas during the elections...and yet 20,000+ Russian troops (when most of Crimeans ARE of Russian descent AND most polls stated that the people clearly wanted to return to Russia) in the Crimea suddenly makes that election bogus.
    PLUS Obama recognizes the illegal overthrow of a democratically elected government.

    So an illegal coup is fine but a legal referendum is not...hypocrisy.

    This is nonsense - if you cannot see that, too bad for you.


    And I would not put it past Obama to lie EVER..or any other POTUS if the desire suited them. If say there are pre-marked ballots...then show us their proof or they should shut up.
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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'll put it in a context for you, closer to home. Here in Canada, the Province of Quebec has been talking separation for a few decades now and actually had several votes on the matter, which failed. Our Supreme Court ruled several years back that a vote on a Province separating now has certain rules that must be followed before it's legit - as well as certain consequences, such as assuming share of the national debt, creation of their own currency, etc.

    Now, if the Quebec Provincial government (insert Crimea's Provincial government for context) decided to ignore the federal government and supreme court's rules for a referendum authorizing separation and held such a vote within a week or two, the vote to separate would have no legal basis or grounds for being recognized as legitimate. Add to that, if US militias - quasi US military troops - flooded into the Province of Quebec and managed the vote, threatened the populace, and the US Congress passed a law authorizing US intervention in the vote and the US President talked up Quebec joining the US, you would then have a situation similar to what's happening in Crimea and the Ukraine these days.
    Good post util you got to >" US President talked up Quebec joining the US "< Nothing even close to comparing what happened or is happening in Crimea. No providence in Canada ever had any connections or ties at any time to the United States.

    Where as the Ukraine back during the mid 1600's asked to become a protective nation under the Carist Russia and would remain so until the Bolshevik Revolution and they tried to become an independent sovereign nation but lost and were brought under the new USSR in 1920 and remained so until the end of the Cold War.

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    The Ukraine has had a close relationship with Russia for over 350 years.

    Otherwise a good post

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Ron Paul is coo coo...
    So he is "coo-coo" for respecting the Constitution while those who violate it (Dubya, Obama) are sane?

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'll put it in a context for you, closer to home. Here in Canada, the Province of Quebec has been talking separation for a few decades now and actually had several votes on the matter, which failed. Our Supreme Court ruled several years back that a vote on a Province separating now has certain rules that must be followed before it's legit - as well as certain consequences, such as assuming share of the national debt, creation of their own currency, etc.

    Now, if the Quebec Provincial government (insert Crimea's Provincial government for context) decided to ignore the federal government and supreme court's rules for a referendum authorizing separation and held such a vote within a week or two, the vote to separate would have no legal basis or grounds for being recognized as legitimate. Add to that, if US militias - quasi US military troops - flooded into the Province of Quebec and managed the vote, threatened the populace, and the US Congress passed a law authorizing US intervention in the vote and the US President talked up Quebec joining the US, you would then have a situation similar to what's happening in Crimea and the Ukraine these days.
    Your analogy breaks down in that is it totally unrealistic. The US would not want Quebec as we don't understand French and are too damn lazy (or stupid) to learn it.

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