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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    It was an example, something folks who don't quite understand the situation taking place in the Ukraine can wrap their minds around since U.S./Canadian relationships hits closer to home. I gave a similar example in this thread http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063009090 using the Keystone Pipeline as a central point. CanadaJohn only gave his interpretation based on Canadian secession laws under his country's constitution. You can relax; neither examples were meant to be taken seriously. They were just given to add alittle perspective to current events in that part of the region.
    Actually CJ's 'example' is less than useless. The situation isn't close. One area is nooo way close to another... I am VERY relaxed... pointing out total fails in debates is quite relaxing.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie Loucks View Post
    Being the non-interventionist that he is, should we be really surprised? What type of intervention ISN'T an act of war to him?
    Compared to some half a'd sanctioned that amount to, mean and accomplish nothing on one hand, and calls for more war mongering on the other, of course.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    In regards to Iran,
    you're aware the Veteran's bill was filibustered by the Senate GOP due to the unrelated Iran sanctions amendment not getting a vote.
    Therefore, Ron Paul would accuse the GOP Senate of an act of war right now on Iran.

    Rand Paul is actually being given cover by his Father, who holds together the Amash coalition of TEA/OWS.
    Meanwhile, Rand speaks to minority groups such as "Latinos" and the upcoming NAACP, expanding his reach.
    He's not sitting on his laurels from CPAC, where he trounced the Canadian Senator 31-11 .
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I believe Ron Paul to be consistent here, if only consistently irrelevant. When in Congress, I believe Ron Paul also characterized sanctions against Iran and North Korea as "acts of war" - does anyone believe that the US is at war with Iran and/or North Korea?
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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Actually CJ's 'example' is less than useless. The situation isn't close. One area is nooo way close to another... I am VERY relaxed... pointing out total fails in debates is quite relaxing.
    I never claimed the two situations were identical, however, you know nothing about the situation in Ukraine/Crimea nor anything about the situation in Quebec/Canada if you fail to recognize some of the similarities as they relate to the legal process to secede in either country.
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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I never claimed the two situations were identical, however, you know nothing about the situation in Ukraine/Crimea nor anything about the situation in Quebec/Canada if you fail to recognize some of the similarities as they relate to the legal process to secede in either country.
    Funny you threw in a bunch of BS ontop of the 'legal' BS... like the US sending in military of some flavor.

    But back to the legality is Quebec a semi-autonomous region with it's own Parliament? Was it recently attached to the rest of Canada? Does the US have 16,000 troops stationed there? Was the USofA in Quebec for centuries?

    The Kurds in Iraq are a better place to try and explain the 'legalities'. Quebec has been part of Canada for centuries, the Crimea has not been part of the Ukraine for centuries.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The "sanctions are bad" schtick is going to go over really well in the GOP primaries.
    Well then go vote in a Republican primary.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Funny you threw in a bunch of BS ontop of the 'legal' BS... like the US sending in military of some flavor.

    But back to the legality is Quebec a semi-autonomous region with it's own Parliament? Was it recently attached to the rest of Canada? Does the US have 16,000 troops stationed there? Was the USofA in Quebec for centuries?

    The Kurds in Iraq are a better place to try and explain the 'legalities'. Quebec has been part of Canada for centuries, the Crimea has not been part of the Ukraine for centuries.
    The Crimea was not a majority of Russians for centuries. Stalin removed (and killed) most non-Russians in Crimea - which of course you believe is an entirely legitimate way to declare a territory rightly is yours - and, of course, since you support separate-but-equal ethnic segregation which country a person is with should be based upon their ethnicity.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    I think he is out of office, was only a congressman if the term only applies. He did run for president but didn't do all that good. I am not even sure he deserves a thread on him. Now having said that, I think with all of this Ukraine stuff, the Crimea etc all being in Russia's backyard, it really isn't all that much our business. History shows the Ukraine has been part of Russia for a very long time, it is their sphere of influence. Now if Russia started to work its way west and was threatening Poland, then I would be more worried about it than with the Crimea. So in a way I am siding with Ron Paul although I do not think he deserves this attention.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Ron Paul is too stupid to realize that isolation is not possible or desirable.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Funny you threw in a bunch of BS ontop of the 'legal' BS... like the US sending in military of some flavor.

    But back to the legality is Quebec a semi-autonomous region with it's own Parliament? Was it recently attached to the rest of Canada? Does the US have 16,000 troops stationed there? Was the USofA in Quebec for centuries?

    The Kurds in Iraq are a better place to try and explain the 'legalities'. Quebec has been part of Canada for centuries, the Crimea has not been part of the Ukraine for centuries.
    My original response stands.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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