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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    I believe Ron Paul to be consistent here, if only consistently irrelevant. When in Congress, I believe Ron Paul also characterized sanctions against Iran and North Korea as "acts of war" - does anyone believe that the US is at war with Iran and/or North Korea?
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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'll put it in a context for you, closer to home. Here in Canada, the Province of Quebec has been talking separation for a few decades now and actually had several votes on the matter, which failed. Our Supreme Court ruled several years back that a vote on a Province separating now has certain rules that must be followed before it's legit - as well as certain consequences, such as assuming share of the national debt, creation of their own currency, etc.Now, if the Quebec Provincial government (insert Crimea's Provincial government for context) decided to ignore the federal government and supreme court's rules for a referendum authorizing separation and held such a vote within a week or two, the vote to separate would have no legal basis or grounds for being recognized as legitimate. Add to that, if US militias - quasi US military troops - flooded into the Province of Quebec and managed the vote, threatened the populace, and the US Congress passed a law authorizing US intervention in the vote and the US President talked up Quebec joining the US, you would then have a situation similar to what's happening in Crimea and the Ukraine these days.
    Pretty crappy analogy...

    The USofA hasn't had any sway in Quebec EVER, Russia has in control of the Crimea since the mid 1700's.

    The USofA has no basing rights in Quebec, Russia has several bases in the Crimea.

    The USofA stations no troops in Quebec, the Russians have a treaty allowing up to 25,000 troops in the Crimea.

    Quebec is not a semi-autonomous region with a separate Parliament, the Crimea is.

    The majority of citizens in Quebec didn't come from the USofA, the majority of citizens in the Crimea came from Russia.

    Other than that, it works for me....

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'll put it in a context for you, closer to home. Here in Canada, the Province of Quebec has been talking separation for a few decades now and actually had several votes on the matter, which failed. Our Supreme Court ruled several years back that a vote on a Province separating now has certain rules that must be followed before it's legit - as well as certain consequences, such as assuming share of the national debt, creation of their own currency, etc.

    Now, if the Quebec Provincial government (insert Crimea's Provincial government for context) decided to ignore the federal government and supreme court's rules for a referendum authorizing separation and held such a vote within a week or two, the vote to separate would have no legal basis or grounds for being recognized as legitimate. Add to that, if US militias - quasi US military troops - flooded into the Province of Quebec and managed the vote, threatened the populace, and the US Congress passed a law authorizing US intervention in the vote and the US President talked up Quebec joining the US, you would then have a situation similar to what's happening in Crimea and the Ukraine these days.
    It is inexcusable for the USA to not place Quebec under USA military control via military invasion to allow Quebec to vote on:

    1. Leaving Canada and forming their own country OR

    2. Leaving Canada and joining the USA.

    However, first 80% of non-French speaking Canadians in Quebec should be deported out of the Province of Quebec, ideally killed.

    It would be wrong to allow those remaining in Quebec to vote to stay as they are with Canada.

    And THAT is the so-called democracy that is happening in the Crimean region of Ukraine.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Pretty crappy analogy...

    The USofA hasn't had any sway in Quebec EVER, Russia has in control of the Crimea since the mid 1700's.

    The USofA has no basing rights in Quebec, Russia has several bases in the Crimea.

    The USofA stations no troops in Quebec, the Russians have a treaty allowing up to 25,000 troops in the Crimea.

    Quebec is not a semi-autonomous region with a separate Parliament, the Crimea is.

    The majority of citizens in Quebec didn't come from the USofA, the majority of citizens in the Crimea came from Russia.

    Other than that, it works for me....
    Just a note. When sarcasm doesn't work, it is called "sarchasm.":The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
    I really like Ron Paul and think his thoughts correct and well thought out. They'd never allow an individual with common sense to ascend to the White House.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    I bet Rand Paul wishes his father would shut the **** up.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Just a note. When sarcasm doesn't work, it is called "sarchasm.":The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
    I really like Ron Paul and think his thoughts correct and well thought out. They'd never allow an individual with common sense to ascend to the White House.
    It's been many decades at least since a white Southern segregationist bigot had a possibility of gaining the White House.

    Oh, and you can stop your fake ranting against corporations or pretending you are green. Ron Paul is against any and all restrictions or regulations against corporations and wants the EPA eliminated.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    It seems to me that Crimea was mostly pro-Russian before any of the protesting started. If Ukrainians had a problem with the President siding with Russia (and they did) then they took the right route. However, if Crimea wanted to join Russia, they should be allowed to. It's not like Crimea was Pro-European before the protests.
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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Pretty crappy analogy...

    The USofA hasn't had any sway in Quebec EVER, Russia has in control of the Crimea since the mid 1700's.

    The USofA has no basing rights in Quebec, Russia has several bases in the Crimea.

    The USofA stations no troops in Quebec, the Russians have a treaty allowing up to 25,000 troops in the Crimea.

    Quebec is not a semi-autonomous region with a separate Parliament, the Crimea is.

    The majority of citizens in Quebec didn't come from the USofA, the majority of citizens in the Crimea came from Russia.

    Other than that, it works for me....
    It was an example, something folks who don't quite understand the situation taking place in the Ukraine can wrap their minds around since U.S./Canadian relationships hits closer to home. I gave a similar example in this thread http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063009090 using the Keystone Pipeline as a central point. CanadaJohn only gave his interpretation based on Canadian secession laws under his country's constitution.

    You can relax; neither examples were meant to be taken seriously. They were just given to add alittle perspective to current events in that part of the region.
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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Just a note. When sarcasm doesn't work, it is called "sarchasm.":The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it. I really like Ron Paul and think his thoughts correct and well thought out. They'd never allow an individual with common sense to ascend to the White House.
    Well I don't know if I'd say Ron Paul is full of common sense. Sanctions are not an act of war. I do agree we tend to find excuses to have a 'national interest' in things that don't concern us, but his call to pack it all up and come home isn't practical.

    I don't see sanctions having any real affect on the situation, Putin doesn't need our permission to go anywhere but perhaps the UN. Europe needs Russian NG and we can't replace that energy consumption. it is more a case of our internal politics driving international policies.

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    Re: Ron Paul slams US on Crimea crisis and says Russia sanctions are an 'act of war'

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I bet Rand Paul wishes his father would shut the **** up.
    The "sanctions are bad" schtick is going to go over really well in the GOP primaries.


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