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    US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    We talked tuff.....telling Russia they must pull out. Bout it! Then we offered the Russians a deal. Of course Lavrov said they can talk and work out something, again.

    The United States Sunday strongly rejected a vote in Crimea on breaking away from Ukraine, and called Russian actions in the crisis "dangerous and destabilizing."

    "This referendum is contrary to Ukraine’s constitution, and the international community will not recognize the results of a poll administered under threats of violence and intimidation from a Russian military intervention that violates international law," White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

    The White House statement came as Crimea's pro-Moscow authorities announced that exit polls showed a 93 percent vote in favor of becoming part of Russia.

    "The United States has steadfastly supported the independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity of Ukraine since it declared its independence in 1991, and we reject the 'referendum' that took place today in the Crimean region of Ukraine," Carney said.

    In a phone call with Lavrov, Kerry urged Moscow to pull back Russian forces to their bases in Crimea in exchange for constitutional reforms to protect minority rights.

    A senior State Department official said Kerry "made clear that this crisis can only be resolved politically and that as Ukrainians take the necessary political measures going forward, Russia must reciprocate by pulling forces back to base, and addressing the tensions and concerns about military engagement."

    Kerry's overture appeared to receive a positive echo in Moscow, where the foreign ministry said Lavrov and Kerry agreed to look for ways to defuse the crisis through "the launch as soon as possible of a constitutional reform with the support of the international community.".....snip~

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    And, like all elections, the US has to approve or they aren't valid.
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And, like all elections, the US has to approve or they aren't valid.
    In a phone call with Lavrov, Kerry urged Moscow to pull back Russian forces to their bases in Crimea in exchange for constitutional reforms to protect minority rights.....snip~


    Heya DH. Like how Kerry offered up that lil bit in exchange for Putin to pull out.

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And, like all elections, the US has to approve or they aren't valid.
    I don't know what the Ukraine constitution says but I'm guessing the vote probably isn't constitutional.

    That said I'm willing to bet the majority of Crimean's probably do want to be part of Russia. There's nothing we can do about it and there's nothing we should do about it.
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I don't know what the Ukraine constitution says but I'm guessing the vote probably isn't constitutional.

    That said I'm willing to bet the majority of Crimean's probably do want to be part of Russia. There's nothing we can do about it and there's nothing we should do about it.
    Heya Gaius. Yeah 93% or so they are saying. Well.....I want to see if we go thru with the Economic Sanctions like Kerry said that would take place immediately Monday.

    I know it was over the phone.....but Lavrov did say they can look for way to defuse the crisis.


    Which is probably true. That Lavrov is willing to look for way. Doesn't mean they will agree to any way they find. Nor accept it. Still.....they can agree to look.

    Myself.....I wonder how Kerry keeps falling for the same tactic.

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Do you gentlemen look at North Korean elections and think they are valid?

    I can't believe the amount of cynicism I'm seeing here, of course its a fake election how is there any room to doubt that? Hell the entire thing started when some gunmen took over Parliament and declared that a vote had taken place to hold this election, there's no formal record of it taking place nor is there a list of which members of Parliament were present or how they voted. There's not even an option on the ballot to keep things the way they currently are, ie there's no ability for the people to vote "no change."

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Do you gentlemen look at North Korean elections and think they are valid?

    I can't believe the amount of cynicism I'm seeing here, of course its a fake election how is there any room to doubt that? Hell the entire thing started when some gunmen took over Parliament and declared that a vote had taken place to hold this election, there's no formal record of it taking place nor is there a list of which members of Parliament were present or how they voted. There's not even an option on the ballot to keep things the way they currently are, ie there's no ability for the people to vote "no change."

    Yeah.....it would be kind of hard for all those Russian Crimeans who favor Russian to Celebrate, Right. They would be forced to go out and parade around.....huh?





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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Respect the will of the people - US said it so many times in the past ......

    They can judge for ages as illegal but the fact is that Crimea want and is going to join Russia and no one can change it now.
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Do you gentlemen look at North Korean elections and think they are valid?

    I can't believe the amount of cynicism I'm seeing here, of course its a fake election how is there any room to doubt that? Hell the entire thing started when some gunmen took over Parliament and declared that a vote had taken place to hold this election, there's no formal record of it taking place nor is there a list of which members of Parliament were present or how they voted. There's not even an option on the ballot to keep things the way they currently are, ie there's no ability for the people to vote "no change."
    I trying to find the article I read where a Crimean member of parliament was quoted as saying that he had been visited by a Russian military officer and told that he go immediately to the parliament building to vote. He refused. But when the vote count was shown on Russian TV, it showed he had voted in favor of the change in government to control by the Pro-Russian group that only got 4% in the last real election.

    He didn't even go to the parliament and yet they showed him voting.

    I'll keep looking.

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I trying to find the article I read where a Crimean member of parliament was quoted as saying that he had been visited by a Russian military officer and told that he go immediately to the parliament building to vote. He refused. But when the vote count was shown on Russian TV, it showed he had voted in favor of the change in government to control by the Pro-Russian group that only got 4% in the last real election.

    He didn't even go to the parliament and yet they showed him voting.

    I'll keep looking.
    I don't think anyone with a working brain is going to think the election was fair and free.
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