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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    It is also unconstitutional in regards to the Crimean constitution...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1063040025
    That is totally irrelevant to this (I am referring to Obama, not you posting this).

    So, would Obama agree with the Ukrainian constitution if it made it legal to shoot gays on sight? Of course not.

    So this Obama nonsense that he objects to this vote (partly) because it goes against the Ukrainian constitution is total baloney.

    It's just a lame excuse he has cooked up.

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Obama had rejected the referendum even before people started voting. But perhaps Crimeans care only of Russia!
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    By what standard is it unconstitutional and why would you say that after admitting you know little about the Ukraine constitution.

    What gives the right for the United States to demand anything in the region? Since when is the US the final authority about what is right and is wrong with the world especially since you started a war 13 years ago to protect your so-called "way of life" and the proceeded to withdraw every one of those rights with the Patriot act?

    If the US wants to make demands on Russia, what if this mysterious "international community" Kerry and Obama keep blathering about, demanded the US undergo constitutional reforms and repeal the rights destroying Patriot Act.

    The Obama administration blew this. They either allowed to continue or initiated a regime change with CIA meddling, arrogantly not considering what Putin might do. Obama pushed his hand and now we are the verge of yet another war involving the Americans.
    Several commentators and US government officials I read or heard on TV mentioned that the vote was extra-constitutional. Having not read the document I don't know that for a fact but I'm willing to stipulate it for now.
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Obama had rejected the referendum even before people started voting. But perhaps Crimeans care only of Russia!
    After military invasion and conquest, Russia has given Crimeans the choice of leaving the Ukraine OR leaving the Ukraine.

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    After military invasion and conquest, Russia has given Crimeans the choice of leaving the Ukraine OR leaving the Ukraine.
    I think the choices were: a) Russia, b) Crimean parliament made of majority Russians.
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ukraine's constitition doesn't contain any provision for secession.

    Link?


    The only member of this imaginary "international community" Obama and Kerry and Obama keep prattling about is Obama and Kerry. The EU has condemned the vote, but not on constitutional groups, but the fact it was military backed.

    Obama is hardly an expert on anyone's constitution as he seems confused about his own, the United States contains no provision to amend duly passed legislation but he's done it 27 times with one law he commissioned. How the US interfered through the CIA in the Ukraine's ouster of the previous administration is hardly a glass house from which the US can hurl opinions on law written in another language and an Eastern culture.

    Nor is anyone factoring in the reality, that pro western support in the Crimea is in the minority, a minority that boycotted the vote.
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Several commentators and US government officials I read or heard on TV mentioned that the vote was extra-constitutional. Having not read the document I don't know that for a fact but I'm willing to stipulate it for now.


    Oh, and these unnamed commentators and government officials are experts how.

    Commentators like Chris Mathews?
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    I do hope we respond strongly with economic sanctions. Russia needs to see that if it is going to act like a rogue state, then it will have to live like a rogue state. Perhaps that will remind them that the good ole days weren't so peachy. Up to now, I believe Putin has been surprised how easy it has been for him to occupy parts of another country and annex it. He has sacrificed a lot of political capital to do it, though.
    Normally I'd agree - isolation and economic hardship can be effective - but not always. Given the current state of global economics, fragility of markets across the board I'm more worried this will boomerang.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    John Kerry is more of a leader than Obama.

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    John Kerry is more of a leader than Obama.
    Lord help us all....
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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