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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I don't know what the Ukraine constitution says but I'm guessing the vote probably isn't constitutional.

    That said I'm willing to bet the majority of Crimean's probably do want to be part of Russia. There's nothing we can do about it and there's nothing we should do about it.
    More or less sums it up for me.

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    Respect the will of the people - US said it so many times in the past ......

    They can judge for ages as illegal but the fact is that Crimea want and is going to join Russia and no one can change it now.
    Let them join. No one is stopping them. All they have to do is cross the border and apply for citizenship. Which if Russia really is telling the truth and this is just about what the people want they will gladly accept them as citizens.
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I trying to find the article I read where a Crimean member of parliament was quoted as saying that he had been visited by a Russian military officer and told that he go immediately to the parliament building to vote. He refused. But when the vote count was shown on Russian TV, it showed he had voted in favor of the change in government to control by the Pro-Russian group that only got 4% in the last real election.

    He didn't even go to the parliament and yet they showed him voting.

    I'll keep looking.
    I saw the same article. I believe it was on the BBC website at some point. There's no doubt that the new Crimean gov't and the recent 'referendum' is a sham. Everyone knows it, so I'm not sure why people are still trying to defend it as legitimate. It really doesn't matter, that's a better argument for these people. It really doesn't matter, because even if it was a legitimate vote the reality is that Russia controls Crimea at this point whether the results were for Russia or not. Putin is simply trying legitimize his illegal actions after the fact. It's a joke.

    Crimea referendum: early results indicate 'landslide' for secession
    -scroll down to see the part where a pravda journalist (russian citizen) voted for Russia in the so called 'referendum'.

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    I saw the same article. I believe it was on the BBC website at some point. There's no doubt that the new Crimean gov't and the recent 'referendum' is a sham. Everyone knows it, so I'm not sure why people are still trying to defend it as legitimate. It really doesn't matter, that's a better argument for these people. It really doesn't matter, because even if it was a legitimate vote the reality is that Russia controls Crimea at this point whether the results were for Russia or not. Putin is simply trying legitimize his illegal actions after the fact. It's a joke.

    Crimea referendum: early results indicate 'landslide' for secession
    -scroll down to see the part where a pravda journalist (russian citizen) voted for Russia in the so called 'referendum'.
    Agreed. Russia has a noose around Crimeas neck and a gun at their back, asking them nicely to vote their conscious, and to please, be honest.

    This entire escapade from a US perspective is a yawner. Anything to take the view off our domestic issues... Kerry and the rest can shake their fists and write strongly worded memo's all day, Vlad's not listening and not interested.
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    We talked tuff.....telling Russia they must pull out. Bout it! Then we offered the Russians a deal. Of course Lavrov said they can talk and work out something, again.

    The United States Sunday strongly rejected a vote in Crimea on breaking away from Ukraine, and called Russian actions in the crisis "dangerous and destabilizing."

    "This referendum is contrary to Ukraine’s constitution, and the international community will not recognize the results of a poll administered under threats of violence and intimidation from a Russian military intervention that violates international law," White House spokesman Jay Carney said.

    The White House statement came as Crimea's pro-Moscow authorities announced that exit polls showed a 93 percent vote in favor of becoming part of Russia.

    "The United States has steadfastly supported the independence, sovereignty, and territorial integrity of Ukraine since it declared its independence in 1991, and we reject the 'referendum' that took place today in the Crimean region of Ukraine," Carney said.

    In a phone call with Lavrov, Kerry urged Moscow to pull back Russian forces to their bases in Crimea in exchange for constitutional reforms to protect minority rights.

    A senior State Department official said Kerry "made clear that this crisis can only be resolved politically and that as Ukrainians take the necessary political measures going forward, Russia must reciprocate by pulling forces back to base, and addressing the tensions and concerns about military engagement."

    Kerry's overture appeared to receive a positive echo in Moscow, where the foreign ministry said Lavrov and Kerry agreed to look for ways to defuse the crisis through "the launch as soon as possible of a constitutional reform with the support of the international community.".....snip~

    US rejects Crimea vote, says Russian actions 'dangerous'
    Kinda looks like Russia is in violations of a treaty that they signed off on in the 1990s with regard to Ukraine and Crimea.
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Agreed. Russia has a noose around Crimeas neck and a gun at their back, asking them nicely to vote their conscious, and to please, be honest.

    This entire escapade from a US perspective is a yawner. Anything to take the view off our domestic issues... Kerry and the rest can shake their fists and write strongly worded memo's all day, Vlad's not listening and not interested.
    I do hope we respond strongly with economic sanctions. Russia needs to see that if it is going to act like a rogue state, then it will have to live like a rogue state. Perhaps that will remind them that the good ole days weren't so peachy. Up to now, I believe Putin has been surprised how easy it has been for him to occupy parts of another country and annex it. He has sacrificed a lot of political capital to do it, though.

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    By what standard is it unconstitutional and why would you say that after admitting you know little about the Ukraine constitution.

    What gives the right for the United States to demand anything in the region? Since when is the US the final authority about what is right and is wrong with the world especially since you started a war 13 years ago to protect your so-called "way of life" and the proceeded to withdraw every one of those rights with the Patriot act?

    If the US wants to make demands on Russia, what if this mysterious "international community" Kerry and Obama keep blathering about, demanded the US undergo constitutional reforms and repeal the rights destroying Patriot Act.

    The Obama administration blew this. They either allowed to continue or initiated a regime change with CIA meddling, arrogantly not considering what Putin might do. Obama pushed his hand and now we are the verge of yet another war involving the Americans.
    Ukraine's constitition doesn't contain any provision for secession.
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Donc View Post
    Kinda looks like Russia is in violations of a treaty that they signed off on in the 1990s with regard to Ukraine and Crimea.
    Yeah it does.....it also looks like the Ukrainians decided to give Democracy a kick in the ass too. Going with a Coup of a Democratic Elected Leader and a Democratic Election.

    Not only did they sign off on it.....but then they actually think that the Rest of the World will forget what they did and Only look at Putin. Now isn't that quite funny.

    Do you think the western MS media can help try and hide that fact now even if they don't like or want to have to report it?

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah it does.....it also looks like the Ukrainians decided to give Democracy a kick in the ass too. Going with a Coup of a Democratic Elected Leader and a Democratic Election.

    Not only did they sign off on it.....but then they actually think that the Rest of the World will forget what they did and Only look at Putin. Now isn't that quite funny.

    Do you think the western MS media can help try and hide that fact now even if they don't like or want to have to report it?
    What the Ukrainian Parliament does is the business of the Ukrainians, not the Russians. They can't even run their own country properly much less that of their neighbors. It's one sick Mother Russia.

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I don't know what the Ukraine constitution says but I'm guessing the vote probably isn't constitutional.
    It is also unconstitutional in regards to the Crimean constitution...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1063040025

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