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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Well some see us protecting an investment those interests.....others seeing us throwing away money.


    The US purports to advocate Democracy, but in reality advocates for governments friendly to Multi-National corporations. Regime change is orchestrated by the US AID for politicians friendly to Multi-National Corporations.

    "Since 1991, Ukraine’s development trajectory has taken the country from a command to a market-based economy. The United States Government maintains a strategic interest in helping Ukraine’s transition toward greater democracy and a sustainable free market economy. Over the last 20 years USAID has provided $1.8 billion in critical development assistance in support of the Ukrainian people. Much of this development assistance has helped Ukrainians experience increased political freedoms, stronger transparency guarantees, and more economic and social opportunities.

    Today, USAID/Ukraine implements a focused development assistance program to support: more participatory, transparent, and accountable governance; broad-based resilient economic development; and improved health status for Ukrainians. USAID also supports U.S. Presidential Initiatives in Global Health and Global Climate Change."


    USAID | Embassy of the United States Kyiv, Ukraine

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...2014-a-64.html

    Gladiator had this up in the Crisis thread.

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And, like all elections, the US has to approve or they aren't valid.
    It's not the U.S. per say, it's always the Democrats who have a problem with election results when their side don't win.

    I suppose tomorrow morning Kerry will be demanding that the Ukrainian military absentee ballots not to be counted. They tried that in Florida back in 2000.

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It's not the U.S. per say, it's always the Democrats who have a problem with election results when their side don't win.

    I suppose tomorrow morning Kerry will be demanding that the Ukrainian military absentee ballots not to be counted. They tried that in Florida back in 2000.
    Hmm... somehow, I missed the part where the Republicans thought the election was valid.
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Hmm... somehow, I missed the part where the Republicans thought the election was valid.
    It's the Democrats call considering they are in better position to know if corruption was involved or not. They have the experience when it comes to corruption at the polls. And the current administration has surrounded itself with those of the corrupt Chicago political machine.

    It's Obama's call if the elections in the Crimea were corrupt or not, his word carries a lot of weight.

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It's the Democrats call considering they are in better position to know if corruption was involved or not. They have the experience when it comes to corruption at the polls. And the current administration has surrounded itself with those of the corrupt Chicago political machine.

    If Obama's call if the elections in the Crimea were corrupt or not, his word carries a lot of weight.
    I believe that must be the first time you said that Obama's word carries a lot of weight.
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I don't know what the Ukraine constitution says but I'm guessing the vote probably isn't constitutional.

    That said I'm willing to bet the majority of Crimean's probably do want to be part of Russia. There's nothing we can do about it and there's nothing we should do about it.
    By what standard is it unconstitutional and why would you say that after admitting you know little about the Ukraine constitution.

    What gives the right for the United States to demand anything in the region? Since when is the US the final authority about what is right and is wrong with the world especially since you started a war 13 years ago to protect your so-called "way of life" and the proceeded to withdraw every one of those rights with the Patriot act?

    If the US wants to make demands on Russia, what if this mysterious "international community" Kerry and Obama keep blathering about, demanded the US undergo constitutional reforms and repeal the rights destroying Patriot Act.

    The Obama administration blew this. They either allowed to continue or initiated a regime change with CIA meddling, arrogantly not considering what Putin might do. Obama pushed his hand and now we are the verge of yet another war involving the Americans.
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I believe that must be the first time you said that Obama's word carries a lot of weight.
    Obama is a community organiser. Community organisers are agitators, they are corrupt, they cause problems and divide the people, use their followers as pawns to further a radical leftist political agenda.

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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Gaius. Yeah 93% or so they are saying. Well.....I want to see if we go thru with the Economic Sanctions like Kerry said that would take place immediately Monday.

    Which is probably true. That Lavrov is willing to look for way. Doesn't mean they will agree to any way they find. Nor accept it. Still.....they can agree to look.

    Myself.....I wonder how Kerry keeps falling for the same tactic.



    I know it was over the phone.....but Lavrov did say they can look for way to defuse the crisis.


    Easy, he's a dumb as bag of hammers and being led by a community organizer.
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    By what standard is it unconstitutional and why would you say that after admitting you know little about the Ukraine constitution.

    What gives the right for the United States to demand anything in the region? Since when is the US the final authority about what is right and is wrong with the world especially since you started a war 13 years ago to protect your so-called "way of life" and the proceeded to withdraw every one of those rights with the Patriot act?

    If the US wants to make demands on Russia, what if this mysterious "international community" Kerry and Obama keep blathering about, demanded the US undergo constitutional reforms and repeal the rights destroying Patriot Act.

    The Obama administration blew this. They either allowed to continue or initiated a regime change with CIA meddling, arrogantly not considering what Putin might do. Obama pushed his hand and now we are the verge of yet another war involving the Americans.
    You're doing well up to the "war involving the Americans". That is unlikely in the extreme.

    About as likely as a war in Vancouver.
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    Re: US Rejects Crimea Vote, says Russian actions 'Dangerous'.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You're doing well up to the "war involving the Americans". That is unlikely in the extreme.

    About as likely as a war in Vancouver.
    Agreed, poor choice of words, perhaps "threat of war" or "instability" involving the Americans.

    However, having said that, my confidence in the likes of Kerry and Obama in dealing with Putin cannot not involve the concern of a shooting war.
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