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    Re: Edward Snowden is a hero: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I am a proud veteran of the US Army.
    As a proud veteran you just like us other proud veterans made an oath to uphold and or defend the constitution as a condition of our service just like our elected officials and many people who run the NSA do.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Edward Snowden is a hero: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    You cannot possibly be that nave. Oh wait, yes you can. You still think Russia is the good guys in every international dispute. The notion that this guy would defect to Russian with every secret in the files of the NSA and the Russians wouldn't want it is beyond nave. Its stupidity.
    So you have ZERO proof that he has told the Russians anything more then what he released to the public...noted.

    So Wiggen's law is - guilty until proven innocent...good to know.


    And I said nothing about the Russians being the 'good guys' as you so simplistically put it.

    Good day.

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    Re: Edward Snowden is a hero: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    Where is your proof that he didn't? I also wonder what happened to the guy who gave him his access to the info. Haven't heard a thing or maybe I am just uninformed.
    It is innocent until proven guilty...not guilty until proven innocent.

    Or do you disagree with that?


    I never said he did or did not...but unlike many here, I will condemn him for a crime only after the proof has been presented...not on the assumption that it will.

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    Re: Edward Snowden is a hero: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Many think that Snowden did the right thing in the wrong way. But I don't see how he could've done it different. Notifying an outside senate committee wouldn't have brought this to light, or put public pressure on the NSA for spying on us. They would've buried the info and probably him with it.

    Anytime the government gets caught abusing power is not an excuse to say, "it's for our own good".
    Agreed. And if Snowden hadn't done what he did, claims about our government spying on us would have remained tidily within the realm of Conspiracy Theory. I can't believe there are people who think that remaining silent while watching our government slowly turn into an Orwellian nightmare is the right thing to do. It boggles the mind.

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    Re: Edward Snowden is a hero: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Edward Snowden is a hero: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak - The Times of India

    I agree with Mr. Wozniak. It is clear that our government is doing many unconstitutional things, and our politicians and courts just tend to ignore them. What Snowden did was necessary and he is a hero for that.
    I find it funny that YOU are saying this stuff.
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    Re: Edward Snowden is a hero: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    It is innocent until proven guilty...not guilty until proven innocent.

    Or do you disagree with that?


    I never said he did or did not...but unlike many here, I will condemn him for a crime only after the proof has been presented...not on the assumption that it will.
    Snowden has already been proven guilty of stealing classified information. He has admitted it.
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    Re: Edward Snowden is a hero: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    And just which country could he have 'run to' that would have semi-guaranteed his safety?


    As for secrets he may have given to the Russians?

    Where is your link to unbiased factual proof that he gave even ONE military secret to the Russians?
    There are no such links. But he must of shared all our military secrets with Russia.
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    Re: Edward Snowden is a hero: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    Where is your proof that he didn't? I also wonder what happened to the guy who gave him his access to the info. Haven't heard a thing or maybe I am just uninformed.
    Prove a negative. It would seem the burden of proof would be upon those who have made the accusation that he did.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Edward Snowden is a hero: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    Snowden has already been proven guilty of stealing classified information. He has admitted it.
    I didn't say that.

    I said;

    'So you have ZERO proof that he has told the Russians anything more then what he released to the public.'

    In other words, where is the proof that he told the Russians anything he has not already told the world?

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    Re: Edward Snowden is a hero: Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I didn't say that.

    I said;

    'So you have ZERO proof that he has told the Russians anything more then what he released to the public.'

    In other words, where is the proof that he told the Russians anything he has not already told the world?
    We may never find that out.
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