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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    From President Obama's unilateral re-write of education law, to his many Obamacare delays, a growing chorus of conservatives, and recently even some liberals, have been decrying Obama's abuse of executive power.
    I really wish people would stop propagating silliness like this. The President can't re-write the law, and has never been able to do so. Congress has given and continues to give the Presidency vast regulatory authority. Congress made the Frankenstein that is the Presidency, Congress need to clean it up and can do so without getting the courts involved.
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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

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    Like I said... this AA president could club baby seals on the WH lawn and nobody would dare touch him.

    Its a privilege that comes with the title 'First Black President.'
    Impeachment is like indictment, The House of Representatives is like a grand jury. After the House vote, the trial begins. The Senate is the jury and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is the judge. A president is only thrown out of office if they are found guilty of high crimes or misdemeanors in the impeachment trial. Nobody knows exactly what high crimes and misdemeanors means though. No president has ever been thrown out of office. Nixon almost certainly would have been if he hadn't left first.

    So what do the color of his skin has to do with anything? Apparently all congress has to do is find grounds for impeachment.......


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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    It took both parties to pass what bill? As I recall.....Republicans voted against the O' care Bill.
    but they voted for it in commitee.
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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    but they voted for it in commitee.
    They did? Only thing I recall.....was S-Chip they voted on. But then can you explain why they voted for it Officially as being against it? IS there a link to these Republicans that voted for Obamacare in the beginning? The Very beginning?

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Interesting POV, these few are not brave in any way,shape, or form. What is the consequence of their action? What is the blow back? NONE

    Now what are the odds of this ever becoming law- NIL to NONE

    It's more like those 'brave' mice coming up with the idea that a bell on the cat would warn them when it approaches- but who would bell the cat?

    Meaningless debate in the House over a bill that stands ZERO chance of passing isn't going to get that bell on, and isn't brave.

    Coming up with a plan that can actually work- now THAT would be something...
    I still say that if these House Republicans really believed that the President has violated Article II, section 3, clause 17, of the Constitution of the United States, then they should do their job under Article 1, Section 2:

    The House of Representatives shall chose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
    Any other so-called legal action against a sitting President is not only folly, it's just good political theater and petty posturing for their voting base...nothing more.
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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I still say that if these House Republicans really believed that the President has violated Article II, section 3, clause 17, of the Constitution of the United States, then they should do their job under Article 1, Section 2:



    Any other so-called legal action against a sitting President is not only folly, it's just good political theater and petty posturing for their voting base...nothing more.
    That's nice, but you'll understand if the republicans, in the house or otherwise, don't listen to your advice. What you seem to miss is that this retrains not just the current office holder but future officer holders as well. They cannot regulate executive orders any more than the executive branch can regulate house or senate rules. But they can render them useless as an end run around legislation and legitimate process as the current office holder has been using them.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    House backs bill to sue president over laws



    Is this party politics with no chance of passing, or is it a definitive statement that has purpose?
    Don't you just love those "small limited government" Republicans who espouse states rights?










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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Don't you just love those "small limited government" Republicans who espouse states rights?
    You seem to have missed that this would restrain the power of the government, in this case the executive branch, to it's constitutional duty. How in your mind is that inconsistent with the stated goal of a constitutionally limited fed?

    And what the heck does it have to do with state's rights?

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I really wish people would stop propagating silliness like this. The President can't re-write the law, and has never been able to do so. Congress has given and continues to give the Presidency vast regulatory authority. Congress made the Frankenstein that is the Presidency, Congress need to clean it up and can do so without getting the courts involved.
    Presidents throughout our history have done end runs around their constitutional grant of power. The congress does not have the grant of power to "clean up" the policies and procedures of the executive branch any more than the POTUS has the grant to affect senate and house rules. The court must be involved here. In fact, this is precisely what they were originally empanelled for. As referees between the two branches (and supplimentally the people) with the constitution as the reference point.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    They did? Only thing I recall.....was S-Chip they voted on. But then can you explain why they voted for it Officially as being against it? IS there a link to these Republicans that voted for Obamacare in the beginning? The Very beginning?
    9 Olympia Snowe votes that angered the GOP - POLITICO.com

    In October 2009, Snowe was the sole Republican in the Senate to vote for the Finance Committee’s health care reform bill. “When history calls, history calls,” she said at the time. Snowe said she wanted the bill sent to the full Senate, but noted she might not support the final version — and she didn’t. Still, many Republicans didn’t forget voted to bring health care reform up for a vote.
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