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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    I can understand the sentiment in the House. I do think that the Presidents use of Executive Authority has stepped above and beyond what should be and likely is acceptable.

    But as I said in another thread...I don't support this law. There's a method in the constitution allowing for the legislative branch to have recourse against the executive. I don't support passing a law and trying to find an end around simply because that method is too hard, too difficult, or to significant. Either it warrants impeachment, in which case go that route...or it doesn't, and simply try to make political hay out of it and utilize it as a means to try and enact change. Passing a law for a "third way" is not the correct way to do it and I believe insults the ideas set forth within the Constitution. IF they really think this is necessary as a means of checks and balances then try and pass it as a constitutional amendment. But we shouldn't be creating a new check and balance beyond the ones in the constitution simply because the constitutional ones are too difficult.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Smartmouthwoman View Post
    All you Obama worshippers cover your ears cuz I know you hate to hear this truth...

    If Obama was white, he'd have already been impeached.

    Because he's black, he never will be... no matter what he does.

    Sad, but true.
    This is utterly ridiculous.

    If Obama was white there's PLENTY of historical and political evidence to suggest he would not be impeached.

    The amount of Presidents to have been impeached is miniscule. Furthermore, the political damage to a party actually going forward with impeachment and not succeeding with ousting said President is also substantial. Given that the Republicans do not own the Senate it means that any impeachment action would be unlikely to completely succeed...making it political suicide to significant go down that path. Black or White, at this point it'd be highly unlikely that impeachment action would've taken place against Obama.

    Your opinion may be sad, but it's not true.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    A lot of opinion once more, yes small children brought here without a say can stay, a subset of those where without papers, but again the deportation program has plenty of others to send back, this seems a petty bitch.

    But let me ask you- if the President has violated the Constitution then why not Impeach rather than the lame ass "I gonna sue you?"

    And hate to break it to you, if you research the 'faithfully execute' phrase you'll see many Presidents have used their judgement on just how, how much and by when the law gets faithfully executed.

    Since the TPs at one time demanded any new bill being presented have it's basis in the Constitution presented as well those X-spurts should know what is Constitutional and what isn't. They know, they just want to try and make a fuss right before the election cycle to deflect from a rather poor platform on the Right

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Smartmouthwoman View Post
    Must bow to Dear Leader's wishes. At least until his term of destruction is over.
    Tyranny, Dear Leader???? This is why the CON radicals lose the Moderates. Course if it really was Tyranny and if Obama really was a Commie/socialist/Marxist whatever dribble you 'patriots' should be doing a lot more than clapping as the Do-nothing CONs in CONgress make empty gestures.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    This still means nothing imp.
    You claim it means nothing important? What would your opinion be if a Republican POTUS were to do this? The question is rhetorical, because we already know the answer! : Be honest...fair should be fair for everyone!

    Greetings, Carleen.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    This still means nothing imp.
    Your opinion. Personally I hope that if Democrats are secure enough in their belief that Obama has done no wrong then they will pass this through. After all, it would show that they are not just trying to protect their own and that they think they are on firm footing. Of course the flip side to that is that if they don't pass it then it will show that they are not on firm footing and think that maybe Obama did indeed violate the laws.
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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    You claim it means nothing important? What would your opinion be if a Republican POTUS were to do this? The question is rhetorical, because we already know the answer! : Be honest...fair should be fair for everyone!

    Greetings, Carleen.
    Well.....Do you think it means something when the Democrats are in Disarray, and their party is fracturing Lady P? Do you think there is such a thing as blowback from ones own party? What about from an Entire country?

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' Grip .....Tell me do you think this plays in with your piece? Understanding that political blowback and all. Its all starting to catch up with him. Do you think he should have bragged about the Power of his pen and phone?


    Executive Overreach Blowback.....



    From President Obama's unilateral re-write of education law, to his many Obamacare delays, a growing chorus of conservatives, and recently even some liberals, have been decrying Obama's abuse of executive power.

    Up until now, most of Obama's liberal allies have either stayed silent or supported these actions. But now that it is becoming increasingly clear that Obama will get nothing done in Congress, these same liberal allies are asking Obama to abuse his executive power even further.

    Take BuzzFeed's Jacob Fischler has a story out today on union frustration over Obamacare.

    In other words, if Obama can delay the employer mandate, refuse to enforce minimum health insurance requirements, and functionally repeal the individual mandate entirely, then why can't they fix labor's Obamacare Cadillac Tax problem too?

    Obama is facing the exact same dilemma on immigration. After failing to pass amnesty legislation in his first year in office, as promised, he did manage to regain Latino support in June 2012 by unilaterally creating a limited mini-amnesty (the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program) without Congress.

    There has been a shift within the Hispanic media,” Jorge Ramos, the influential Univision anchor who has been called the “Walter Cronkite of Hispanic media,” told me. “If you read the editorial pages in the most important Spanish language newspapers, you notice immediately how the conversation has changed from attacking Republicans to attacking Obama.”

    Obama's unilateral legislating is coming back to haunt him. Obama desperately needs Latinos and union members to show up at the polls this November, but the only way Obama can make them happy is by further shredding the Constitution's separation of powers doctrine.....snip~

    Executive Overreach Blowback - Conn Carroll
    I actually believe both parties would like to see a functional Healthcare system, as long as their party is the one responsible for it. But they're both playing politics with our needs and finances.

    Neither one will ever come up with a plan, the other completely approves of, so what's the solution? It took both parties to pass the Bill and now they don't want to fix it. I don't care if they get rid of it or amend it, just make the damn thing work for everyone.
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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well.....Do you think it means something when the Democrats are in Disarray, and their party is fracturing Lady P? Do you think there is such a thing as blowback from ones own party? What about from an Entire country?
    Basic loyalty to a party is not a bad thing, but "blind" loyalty to anything is! At some point, people begin to think on a different level as they begin to realize how they may be personally affected by what is being done, and that overrides party loyalty. I believe that we are at that point! Self preservation has always important to humans, and every other living thing on this planet, or we would not have survived. Even plants have developed personal survival mechanisms...thorns, poisons, evil smells, etc, to enable themselves to continue as a species. The same thing instinct rules us, IMO.

    Greetings, MMC.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I actually believe both parties would like to see a functional Healthcare system, as long as their party is the one responsible for it. But they're both playing politics with our needs and finances.

    Neither one will ever come up with a plan, the other completely approves of, so what's the solution? It took both parties to pass the Bill and now they don't want to fix it. I don't care if they get rid of it or amend it, just make the damn thing work for everyone.

    It took both parties to pass what bill? As I recall.....Republicans voted against the O' care Bill.

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