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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Good Lord...Conservatives always talk about impeachment. Hate to break it to you but a President with different political views than you isn't grounds for impeachment...be he black or white.
    Like I said... this AA president could club baby seals on the WH lawn and nobody would dare touch him.

    Its a privilege that comes with the title 'First Black President.'

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You mean like how democrats always talked about impeachment of reagan and bush? Please don't attempt to imply that conservatives are the only ones that do this.
    The people you just mentioned were presidents over a Congress that were Democratic for periods of time. For Reagan nearly his whole Presidency. For Bush the end of the Presidency. How many impeachment proceedings?

    Under Clinton Republicans controlled the House and Senate....baam impeachment.

    Do you honestly think they wouldn't try to impeach if they held the Senate now?

    There are always grumblings about impeachment but Republicans are the only one's that actually act. Impeachement for them is just a way to get rid of someone they don't think should be President.
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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Is this party politics with no chance of passing, or is it a definitive statement that has purpose?
    You can sue the President of the United States? Why don't I think that's true?

    Why didn't they impeach him? That would seem to be the proper channel.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The Houses "job" is to pass legislation that will become law. The normal process involves consulting with the Senate to that end. If that is not done it is nothing but a waste of time.
    No, the House's job is to represent the people more directly and propose legislation that concerns them that will be considered by the senate. The two bodies then begin the dance of reconciliation.

    It's only a waste of time if the senate fails in it's job and refuses to consider the People's motions.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, the House's job is to represent the people more directly and propose legislation that concerns them that will be considered by the senate. The two bodies then begin the dance of reconciliation.

    It's only a waste of time if the senate fails in it's job and refuses to consider the People's motions.
    That's an excellent point.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You can sue the President of the United States? Why don't I think that's true?

    Why didn't they impeach him? That would seem to be the proper channel.
    You can sue the office, not the officeholder. It's a way for the people to sue the Executive Branch to bring them in line. The bar for impeachment is a high one and won't address all issues.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's an excellent point.
    Thank you Maggie.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    For the last time, unwillingness to defend a law is not equivalent to failure to enforce it. There is precedent for this.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You can sue the President of the United States? Why don't I think that's true?

    Why didn't they impeach him? That would seem to be the proper channel.
    I don't think they can sue a sitting President though they can possibly sue the Healthcare Law. It seems to me that suing a law passed by Congress, is suing the government . They'd have to impeach him first.

    Clinton v. Jones, (1997), was a landmark United States Supreme Court case establishing that a sitting President of the United States has no immunity from civil law litigation against him, for acts done before taking office and unrelated to the office.

    Under the U.S. Constitution, the law can only be changed by legislation passed by Congress and signed by the president.
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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Smartmouthwoman View Post
    Like I said... this AA president could club baby seals on the WH lawn and nobody would dare touch him.

    Its a privilege that comes with the title 'First Black President.'
    As opposed to say...Reagan...and Iran-Contra, HUD grant rigging, Lobbying Scandals...there's not a modern President that has had as many high level staff removed from office due to illegal activity as the Teflon President. He wasn't black.
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