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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The Congress cannot sue the President and neither can an individual citizen for that matter, an individual person can sue the United States as a whole as in the Federal government but not specifically the President.
    Obviously you would be wrong as their are currently court cases going through the system as we speak. Unless you are talking about the person themselves? If so then you are correct. But we're not talking about those. We're talking about sueing the office itself. Which can be done.
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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Presidents throughout our history have done end runs around their constitutional grant of power.
    How many of those end-runs were sorted out by the Supreme Court? As I said previously, I'm no expert, but it seems to me that every single time the Executive and the Legislature butt heads directly -- I don't mean over the Constitutionality of a law, I mean over the direct exercise of their respective roles -- the Judiciary absolutely refuses to hand down a definitive decision.

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The congress does not have the grant of power to "clean up" the policies and procedures of the executive branch any more than the POTUS has the grant to affect senate and house rules.
    Congress absolutely positively does have the power to fix what's broken -- the amount of regulatory authority that Congress has previously abdicated to the Executive. Which is exactly what the Supreme Court will tell Congress should it ever try to bring suit against the Executive.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Obviously you would be wrong as their are currently court cases going through the system as we speak. Unless you are talking about the person themselves? If so then you are correct. But we're not talking about those. We're talking about sueing the office itself. Which can be done.
    What cases are going through the courts that involve the Congress versus the President? I'm talking about how there cannot be a case of the Congress going to the SCOTUS and bringing a case against the President, there will never be a "Congress of the United States vs. President of the United States" court case. And if you has a citizen wanted to sue the government, even if it was over something that the President specifically did like say sign an executive order, you could not subpoena the President to appear to court because it violates the separation of powers.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    What cases are going through the courts that involve the Congress versus the President? I'm talking about how there cannot be a case of the Congress going to the SCOTUS and bringing a case against the President, there will never be a "Congress of the United States vs. President of the United States" court case. And if you has a citizen wanted to sue the government, even if it was over something that the President specifically did like say sign an executive order, you could not subpoena the President to appear to court because it violates the separation of powers.
    Here's a few cases....

    United States v. Nixon, Al Haramain v. Bush, Jones v. Clinton, Kiyemba v. Obama.

    Yes, the President can be sued.
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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Here's a few cases....

    United States v. Nixon, Al Haramain v. Bush, Jones v. Clinton, Kiyemba v. Obama.

    Yes, the President can be sued.
    I guess I stand corrected, your best example is really US v. Nixon which is unique since its about Nixon the individual being charged with criminal acts not really the same as The Office of the President being sued by the Congress. Al Haramain v. Bush ended with the court saying that Al Haramain could not bring such a lawsuit against Bush. Jones v. Clinton was started before Clinton was President, again has to deal with him as the person not him as the President.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I guess I stand corrected, your best example is really US v. Nixon which is unique since its about Nixon the individual being charged with criminal acts not really the same as The Office of the President being sued by the Congress. Al Haramain v. Bush ended with the court saying that Al Haramain could not bring such a lawsuit against Bush. Jones v. Clinton was started before Clinton was President, again has to deal with him as the person not him as the President.
    The point wasn't so much whether the cases were valid but whether or not he could be sued. The fact that the courts even heard the case was enough to show that he can indeed be sued. Whether the suit is valid or not can only be determined by the courts.
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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The point wasn't so much whether the cases were valid but whether or not he could be sued. The fact that the courts even heard the case was enough to show that he can indeed be sued. Whether the suit is valid or not can only be determined by the courts.
    Right but whats important and relevant to the topic is whether he can be sued over the functions of his office and not for personal crimes.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Right but whats important and relevant to the topic is whether he can be sued over the functions of his office and not for personal crimes.
    I would hope that abuse of his powers could be sueable. Otherwise its only going to get worse.
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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The point wasn't so much whether the cases were valid but whether or not he could be sued. The fact that the courts even heard the case was enough to show that he can indeed be sued. Whether the suit is valid or not can only be determined by the courts.
    So, why can't our federal Congress put its concerns in writing to the chief magistrate of the Union, regarding clarification and goals? It should be that simple.

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