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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You seem to have missed that this would restrain the power of the government, in this case the executive branch, to it's constitutional duty. How in your mind is that inconsistent with the stated goal of a constitutionally limited fed?
    You mean like abortion? Or state gun control laws?

    And what the heck does it have to do with state's rights?
    As in the majority citizens of states who have voted to legalize weed for recreation and/or as medicinal.










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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    It's a moot argument as the bill will never become law. It is just another bone headed GOP clusterfeck. The GOP continues to believe that American voters are wealthy, born again, straight old white guys.










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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's nice, but you'll understand if the republicans, in the house or otherwise, don't listen to your advice. What you seem to miss is that this retrains not just the current office holder but future officer holders as well. They cannot regulate executive orders any more than the executive branch can regulate house or senate rules. But they can render them useless as an end run around legislation and legitimate process as the current office holder has been using them.
    Before I comment on just how ridiculous such a notion is, I would recommend that you read the two linked articles below. The first gives an overview on the use of Executive Orders over the years from George Washington to President Obama. The second makes clear that Executive Orders are themselves subject to judicial review.

    HowStuffWorks "How Executive Orders Work"

    Executive order - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    IMO, where Congress oversteps its bound rests with their failure to act Constitutionally. It goes back to what I said previously: If Congress truly believed that anything the President has done via Executive Order or otherwise was, in fact, unconstitutional, they should do their job starting w/the House and bring him up on impeachment charges so that the Senate can do its job and try him. Only they won't for two reasons:

    1) Republicans (House) knows they have nothing! The first article above makes that clear.

    2) Republicans know they lack direct recourse to pursue legal action against a sitting President through the courts.

    The question rational people are asking (or should be asking) is "How do you prove that a President did not 'to take care that a law [was] faithfully executed?'" You could try to claim such things as "because Pres. Obama won't defend DOMA," for example, but not defending it in the courts is different from not enforcing the law. I mean, if you take that approach wouldn't it mean the GWB was criminal when he issued Signing Statements where he disagreed with a law and stated in writing that he would not carry out certain provisions of a law? And if not faithfully carrying out a law is the problem, wouldn't you think Signing Statements and not Executive Orders would be the bigger problem?
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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post

    Nice try UWS.....but oops not quite the truth, huh? Is that how the left looks to throw all that confusion into the mix? But did you still want to say any Republicans voted for Obamacare from its beginning?


    Republicans who voted for Obamacare. Opinionists, Pundits, Bloggers, Talk Show Hosts and Individuals have been discussing the 219 Democrats that passed Obamacare last night, however, not enough attention has been devoted to the Congressional Republicans that made this possible through their evil and unconstitutional votes last night as well.

    All 178 Republicans voted against Obamacare last night! From Congressman Lee of New York's 26th congressional district to Congressman Cao of Louisiana's 2nd congressional district, with Congressman Young of Alaska's At-Large congressional district voting against this legislation as well.....snip~

    Jumping in Pools: Republicans who voted for Obamacare.



    Is it true that no republican voted for the ACA?

    Actually one Republican in the House voted for ACA in its original form as sent from the House to the Senate. That was Rep. Cao from Louisiana. However, this was not the final form of the Bill.

    However, the Bill was then marked up by the Senate, and passed the Senate with all 40 Republicans voting against. The Senate version was sent back to the House for a reconciliation vote, and zero Republicans voted for it.

    So, in its final form, Romney was completely correct in saying that no Republican voted to support the ACA.....snip~


    Senate vote by state.
    Democratic yes (58)

    Independent yes (2)

    Republican no (39)

    Republican not voting (1)



    House vote by congressional district.
    Democratic yea (219)

    Democratic nay (34)

    Republican nay (178)

    No representative seated (4).....snip~

    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Try looking up FactCheck.Org.....Politi-fact.....CNN's Fact Checker and all of Yahoo's as well.....Next time!

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No, the houses job is to make and propose laws what their constitutients want. Whether it has a chance of passing or not is irrelevent. Or do you not believe in representitive democracy?
    That's not the job of the House, or of any elected official at least that's not their sole job. Your job is to govern and make decisions relevant to your office while maintaining a respect for the rights of the people. Sometimes a Congressman must not consider what his constituents want because its illegal, or perhaps it doesn't make any sense, or perhaps his constituents have no opinion on the matter.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    That's not the job of the House, or of any elected official at least that's not their sole job. Your job is to govern and make decisions relevant to your office while maintaining a respect for the rights of the people. Sometimes a Congressman must not consider what his constituents want because its illegal, or perhaps it doesn't make any sense, or perhaps his constituents have no opinion on the matter.
    But you agree that it is part of thier job. iguanaman claims that their job is to just pass laws and not try and pass laws that might not, or at least in his opinion, have no chance in passing. His statement runs contrary to what both you and I stated.
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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But you agree that it is part of thier job. iguanaman claims that their job is to just pass laws and not try and pass laws that might not, or at least in his opinion, have no chance in passing. His statement runs contrary to what both you and I stated.
    The idea to sue the President didn't come from any constituents, and if it did any decent Congressman wouldn't follow through with it because its stupid and unconstitutional.

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The idea to sue the President didn't come from any constituents, and if it did any decent Congressman wouldn't follow through with it because its stupid and unconstitutional.
    Actually yes, it does come from constitutients as there are many people attempting to sue the POTUS. And yes, it is Constitutional. So much so that it is a part of the 1st amendment.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It's a moot argument as the bill will never become law. It is just another bone headed GOP clusterfeck. The GOP continues to believe that American voters are wealthy, born again, straight old white guys.
    Because they want the president to stop picking and choosing which laws he wishes to enforce.

    Thats pretty much the best dodge evah!

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    Re: House backs bill to sue president over laws

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually yes, it does come from constitutients as there are many people attempting to sue the POTUS. And yes, it is Constitutional. So much so that it is a part of the 1st amendment.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
    The Congress cannot sue the President and neither can an individual citizen for that matter, an individual person can sue the United States as a whole as in the Federal government but not specifically the President.

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