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6,100 dead people on Nassau voter rolls[W:74]

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Kobie said:
Rights aren't supposed to have exceptions.
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Unless it's the 2nd Amendment right?
 
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reinoe said:
The right to franchise is limited by the states within reason. Felons cannot vote in many instances.
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Ok, true. However, not being able to afford proper ID is not a crime.
 
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humbolt said:
So you fully endorse the arguments of gun enthusiasts regarding the 2nd now? South Carolina made their ID's free to everyone over 17, and still got sued by Holder's DOJ.
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When didn't I?

And **** Eric Holder.
 
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Kobie said:
When didn't I?
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You suggested in post #41 that you attempted such a thing in the Gun Forum.

And **** Eric Holder.
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I can agree with that. I simply pointed out that DOJ sued SC over their voter ID law and lost - and the basis was cost and undue burden, which was proven not to be the case at all. If the basis of objection to voter ID is cost, it would seem to be a state by state issue to resolve at this point. SC has proven that such a thing can be done and pass constitutional scrutiny, to everyone's benefit.
 
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humbolt said:
You suggested in post #41 that you attempted such a thing in the Gun Forum.



I can agree with that. I simply pointed out that DOJ sued SC over their voter ID law and lost - and the basis was cost and undue burden, which was proven not to be the case at all. If the basis of objection to voter ID is cost, it would seem to be a state by state issue to resolve at this point. SC has proven that such a thing can be done and pass constitutional scrutiny, to everyone's benefit.
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1. Christ, I flat out SAID it was a joke.

2. I'll have to read up on that case.
 
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Kobie said:
There are many people who are very old who don't have easy access to birth certificates. Statistical relevance does not concern me. Making sure everyone who is eligible to vote is able to does.
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Then put in a clause that says if you are over 85 years old you don't need to prove you are a US Citizen. But the clause expires in 50 years because by then anyone that doesn't have a BC because they lived in a time when BC's were not always given out have long since died out. Easy fix. ;)

Kobie said:
And I am not in favor of illegal immigrants voting.
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I'd hope not. ;) But how do you expect to keep them from voting?

Kobie said:
Really? Tell the guys in the gun forum that, see how that goes.

(that was my lame attempt at humor)
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While I realize that was an attempt at humor you actually touch on something here. Which I will address down below the last quote.

Kobie said:
A poll tax is putting a mandatory cost on voting. Period. And yeah, charities to pay for people voting? Christ, ACORN got disbanded for HELPING PEOPLE REGISTER TO VOTE. Let's get serious here, Kal.
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No, a poll tax is putting a cost on voting in such a way as to disqualify a certain group from voting because the majority of that group wouldn't qualify. That is what poll taxes were for. Some of the poll taxes that were used back in the day to try and disqualify blacks from voting (which prompted the poll tax amendment) were not just about money. It was also about education. Many whites knew that due to slavery very few blacks actually had an education so made laws that required people to be able to read and answer questions. If you couldn't then you couldn't vote. Yes requireing payment was part of it also. But they set the price so high that most blacks couldn't afford to pay to vote. We're not asking for such a tax. And paying $10 per ID is NOT out of range for anyone and is enough to cover the costs of the materials for the ID.

As for ACORN, they didn't get disbanded for helping people to register to vote. They got disbanded for intimidation and voter fraud. There's eyewitness testimony of that.

Kobie said:
No, a poll tax is a tax on voting. Is there a Free Speech Tax? A Not-Quartering-Soldiers-In-Your-House Tax? A Right-To-A-Speedy-Trial Tax?

I don't care if you're the laziest mother****er on earth. You have the right to vote.
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Here's where I address the previous quote also. All that I need to show that Rights can be "taxed" in certain situations is just one example. If you consider requiring someone to pay $10 for a photo ID which can be used for everything including proving that you are a US Citizen as a poll tax then why isn't having to get a license to own a gun considered as a "gun tax"? Now keep in mind what you are implying here with this last quote here. You're trying to imply that you can't tax a right. Well, obviously it can be done and has been done. Indeed this tax on getting a license to own a gun is often of a much higher price then $10.

Why is it OK to tax someone before they can exercise one right but not OK to tax someone to exercise another right? What was your last words here "you have a right to vote"...well...you have a right to own a gun also. Yet it has been deemd OK and Constitutional to require that people pay to be able to exercise that right. The difference here is that we are just asking that people pay a measley $10 dollars. The cost for the materials and labor for an ID. Where as getting a license to own a gun costs a lot more.
 
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Kobie said:
1. Christ, I flat out SAID it was a joke.
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So you did, but you also implied that you had tried such a thing yourself. Perhaps you haven't. I'll take your statement on rights as you made it.

2. I'll have to read up on that case.
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It's interesting.
 
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Kobie said:
Ok, true. However, not being able to afford proper ID is not a crime.
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There isn't one person in this country that cannot afford $10. Even beggers can make that much.
 
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humbolt said:
So you did, but you also implied that you had tried such a thing yourself.
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I don't see him implying that he tried such a thing. :shrug: Think you're reading more into what he is saying than is there.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
There isn't one person in this country that cannot afford $10. Even beggers can make that much.
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But not everyone is going to use that ten dollars to buy a id, they are more focused on survival.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
I don't see him implying that he tried such a thing. :shrug: Think you're reading more into what he is saying than is there.
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Maybe. If so, I apologize. Certain forums here have achieved a fabeled status I suppose. I generally avoid them.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
There isn't one person in this country that cannot afford $10. Even beggers can make that much.
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Even discounting economic obstacles (which we shouldn't, but I can't wait for the bumper crop of lemonade stands for the ID drive) ... Money is not the only obstacle.

I don't understand the pushback here.
 
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Kobie said:
Well, read instead of going off all half-cocked and maybe you'd learn something.

You want people to have to prove who they say they are at the polls. Fine. I'm OK with that. Now, how do they do that? With an ID. What does an ID cost? Money.

Are you saying that those who may not be able to afford an ID should not be allowed to vote? Because if you are, then you are advocating a poll tax. Which is unconstitutional.

The fallacy amongst conservatives is that liberals don't WANT people to have to prove who they are. The vast, vast, vast majority of liberals have no problem with people proving who they are at the polls, as long as the ability to do so is available to all, regardless of economic standing.
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That last is a chimera libs trot out and wave around like it means something. The fact of life is that if you're so poor you can't afford a $10 ID it's likely you don't live anywhere near the polling place and can't afford to get there. You also can't cash any social support checks or get permanent public housing. Oh, and did I mention, every state's DMV offers free IDs to those who fall below a certain poverty level. In short, you are an illusion, non-existent.
 
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clownboy said:
That last is a chimera libs trot out and wave around like it means something. The fact of life is that if you're so poor you can't afford a $10 ID it's likely you don't live anywhere near the polling place and can't afford to get there. You also can't cash any social support checks or get permanent public housing. Oh, and did I mention, every state's DMV offers free IDs to those who fall below a certain poverty level. In short, you are an illusion, non-existent.
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:citation needed:

And reported for a blatant personal attack.
 
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Kobie said:
:citation needed:

And reported for a blatant personal attack.
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What? I didn't say anything about you in that post.

And:

A new state law requires residents to show photo identification to vote. Balthazor does not have a driver's license — a physical disability prevents her from driving — and so needed to find another way to prove her identity.

The law includes a clause that allows residents to get a state photo ID card for free if they need it to vote.



Read more: http://host.madison.com/news/local/...434-11e0-bc0c-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz2vrg4iMiu
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spud_meister said:
Another person who thinks it's a good idea to disenfranchise retirees, stay at home mums, volunteers and the disabled, but thinks it's a good idea for a 15 year old with a job flipping burgers to be able to vote.
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Age range, have to be restrict, too.

Qualified democracy might look like:
Male citizen who has attained 27 years old, but has not attained 76, who served in the army of the country, having a family and children, immovable property (real estate) and paying taxes, has the right to choose the government of his country.
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And parasites, never.
 
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Kobie said:
Even discounting economic obstacles (which we shouldn't, but I can't wait for the bumper crop of lemonade stands for the ID drive) ... Money is not the only obstacle.

I don't understand the pushback here.
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Lemonade is just one of many ways. Kids find ways to make money all the time. Why can't adults? As for obstacles, the only other one would be not having a BC. That was already addressed.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
You think using prettier words changes its nature? In the end you are justifying using mob rule by a select few to rule over those you think are not qualified enough to vote.
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Power of the crowd ( mob rule), it's the current system, in which can vote the mentally ill, thieves, dependents, and people who are open enemies of our country. Look carefully at the White House, who chose these people.
 
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loader said:
Power of the crowd ( mob rule), it's the current system, in which can vote the mentally ill, thieves, dependents, and people who are open enemies of our country. Look carefully at the White House, who chose these people.
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Just because you don't like who is in the WH doesn't justify stripping people of the right to vote.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Just because you don't like who is in the WH doesn't justify stripping people of the right to vote.
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Must vote "Homo sapiens ratione"- wise man reasonable and not just "homo "rectum"- a man straightened.
 
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Sababa said:
if you show where any of these people's votes were done in person then you have an argument. If not this is just another fake outrage.
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you cant prove an impossible thing to prove. unless you have a time machine to go back in time to the exact moment that each person's name voted to video the event, it cant be proved.

Hell, we have video, computer data and pictures of the moon landing and some people still dont believe it happened. Its a wonder you arent screaming racism.
 
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