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    Rev. Al Sharpton leads Stand Your Ground rally in Tallahassee

    Rev. Al Sharpton leads Stand Your Ground rally in Tallahassee

    So al sharp is gearing up to attack stand your ground. Lovely. I don't mind the emphasis on "provocation" as mentioned in the article. After all...if you provoke a fight...you can't complain when you got one. But this is yet another example of some ridiculous left wing ass trying to capitalize on the death of someone for publicity. Can we just condemn sharpton to obscurity yet?
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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    This will backfire the first time a black stands his ground.
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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    This is a very stupid thing for Sharpton to make a Blacks vs Whites issue. The impression given is that blacks don't want anyone to be able to legally neutralize criminals. This is very much Akin to Holder demanding that blacks not be disciplined so much in schools.
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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This will backfire the first time a black stands his ground.
    Has happened. In Florida, the biggest beneficiary and most number of successful claims of the SYG defense have been made by blacks.

    In Florida, the statistics have been tallied by the Tampa Bay Times and, in 8 years, the defense has been invoked 133 times, resulting in 40 convictions (35%) and 73 acquittals (65%) with 20 cases still pending. Of those defendants who invoked the law, 40 have been listed as "Black" by the Tampa Bay Times. That represents 35% of all Stand Your Ground cases, even though African Americans only make up 16% of Florida's population. Of those cases, 25 were acquitted (78%) and 7 were convicted (22%). What this means is that African American defendants in Florida have disproportionately invoked the Stand Your Ground law in their defense and have been more successful than white defendants at getting acquittals with this defense. Wow, does that run contrary to what we've been hearing!
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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Regardless of "Who" uses this law....it is a bad one in my opinion. Our society is more than violent enough, without making it legal to shoot someone.

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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Regardless of "Who" uses this law....it is a bad one in my opinion. Our society is more than violent enough, without making it legal to shoot someone.
    Actually, overall violence is in decline and has been for roughly a decade.

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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Regardless of "Who" uses this law....it is a bad one in my opinion. Our society is more than violent enough, without making it legal to shoot someone.
    Ridiculously broad statement. Hyperbole much?
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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Regardless of "Who" uses this law....it is a bad one in my opinion. Our society is more than violent enough, without making it legal to shoot someone.
    This is where you are wrong. it is not legal to shoot anyone in fact it is very illegal to shoot someone.

    it is however legal to defend yourself against a threat that would due you bodily harm. i have the right to walk in public and not be molested or endangered. someone else doesn't have the right to try and do harm against me or anyone that i am with.

    if threatening me with a deadly weapon or outcome them i by right of my own life get to defend myself and if needed use lethal force to do so.
    so unless you can tell me how a criminal has more rights attack me than i do to defend myself then there isn't an argument here.

    the only thing that i would say that needs to be changed is if you are going to plead SYG or even self defense you actually have to prove that your life was in danger.

    IE not i think i saw a guy pull a gun or i don't know what it was but i shot anyway.

    there has to be an identifiable threat and you cannot be the aggressor of the situation. you have to be completely neutral in the whole thing.

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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Regardless of "Who" uses this law....it is a bad
    one in my opinion. Our society is more than violent enough, without making it legal to shoot someone.
    All the more reason for a Stand your Ground Law.

    You think taking it away will make criminals less violent ??

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    Re: New Attack on Stand Your Ground

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This will backfire the first time a black stands his ground.
    What is the problem with this:

    Florida law says people who are not involved in illegal activity have the right to stand their ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if they reasonably believe it's necessary to avoid death or great bodily harm.
    The Zimmerman case had nothing to do with stand your ground. I think this law is one of the most misunderstood on the planet. And, by the way, there's really no such thing as a stand-your-ground law. It's a stand-your-ground interpretation of events is all.

    Why do we need that interpretation? Because if a state doesn't have such wording in their law, then a righteous shooter can always be second-guessed. Before that wording was added, homeowners shooting intruders were being sued civilly by the robber who broke into their home and was paralyzed from a gunshot wound inflicted by the homeowner. "You didn't have to shoot him! You could have run out the back door." It takes away a person's duty to retreat. That's all it does. Being found Not Guilty under the stand-your-ground doctrine means you are immune from civil suit. That's very important. Or we'll continue to have stories like this:

    A 90-year-old man who shot a robbery suspect is now being sued by the accused burglar.

    Back in January, Sam Cutrufelli allegedly entered the Greenbrae, Ca., home of 90-year-old Jay Leone and began robbing the senior citizen at gunpoint. At one point, police say, Leone convinced the suspect to let him use the bathroom, where he hid his own guns, and the two then exchanged gunfire.

    Leone shot Cutrufelli three times before the two men began to wrestle each other. Eventually, Cutrufelli allegedly attempted to shoot Leone in the head, only to realize he was out of bullets.

    The invader then ran from the home, and he was eventually charged with attempted murder, burglary, robbery and firearms offenses by a felon.

    Now, Cutrufelli, 31, is suing Leone for causing him "great bodily injury, and other financial damage, including loss of Mr. Cutrufelli's home, and also the dissolution of Mr. Cutrufelli's marriage," according to SourceNewspapers.com.
    This is happening in California. It's one of the few states that hasn't adopted stand-your-ground wording...wording that would codify that one doesn't have the need to retreat. Immunity to civil suit. California's statutes still provide for civil remedies for the use of self-help. How fair is that lawsuit? You want to be sued and spend tens of thousands of dollars protecting yourself from a home invader?

    Al Sharpton is a sick ****.

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